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@coal
Truly a shame.
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@Zaradi
No kink-shaming please. This is a safe place.
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@Lucky
Why am I the one who gets tagged here? Fuck you >.>
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@Zaradi
lol
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Official Vote Count
Mod Note: I am on an East AUS sleep schedule. Don't expect VCs during USA daytime hours. Thank you. Good night.
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@Zaradi
If you're around, you definitely need to be contributing more.
Amazingly, this was the only message anyone thought was important enough to tag me.
Anyway, I've got a little bit of time this morning, so I'll try to get caught up.
I really wish I was scum, as then someone would have pointed me to important posts...
Coal - Either scum, or intentionally acting anti-town for other reasons.
#393, trying to force the Ragnar/Objectivity scum team (hunting Masons?). He continues this in a bunch of others I won't list. #498 suggests he always thought I might be on a scum team with Sui, when earlier he made a declarative statement about the need to ignore any evidence on Sui today no matter what.
#411 and elsewhere, breadcrumbs that scum will reliably appear at the end of wagons; which if town is poor reasoning due to scum not wanting to look like scum.
Lunatic -
#392, a fine defense post, but with some words of wisdom we should occasionally check our actions against: "His intentions don't seem like he's open minded to hunting scum, and his vision is narrow." #480, I'm biased in favor of people reevaluating situations based on mod confirmed evidence (very much going to look forward to their take on the bomb I dropped later).
Zaradi - Neutral
#399, occasionally killing someone for this reason is valid, and I take no offense at the comment: "Also pretty sure Ragnar is just bad/clueless townie. I dont say that to flame." #464, yeah why was Oro not pressured the same or worse than me (incidentally, there was a completely BS defense of this made by Coal #470)? And yes, sorry for not being a better DP1 player in these games.
Objectivity - Town confirmed, RIP
#409, not afraid to be lynched, questioning the tunneling which doesn't lead to him.
Lunatic - Neutral
#437, points to one of my previous games as evidence; I really did not want to spent my time looking over my own actions in previous games... In the final 5 pages of that other game's day 1, how many posts did I make? How many conclusive reads did I give on players (people have made a BIG issue of me not jumping to enough conclusions here)?
Airmax - Strong town read.
#443, this bit of common sense needs to be repeated: "This is also DP1 in a theme-less game, the very definition of low activity type scenario. In fact almost everything I've read in this DP is a bit fluffy and otherwise forced." #457, willing to be lynched for activity if it becomes harmful to town. The game is a bit more fun as mafia, so yes, I would assume he would squeeze in a few more posts if scum.
#489, I feel his pain, *hugs*.
FYI, your tell is that when you lie, the Axolotl winks.
Danielle - Bit of a lurker vibe, but also leaning town.
#471 is a bit suspect to me, as she knows full well the power of being tagged, yet is refusing to return the courtesy even while being suggestive of implications to someone not responding right away. #493 suggests town, as Mafia wants to blend in, and pretending to not know where the scum chat is raises eyebrows (note: I am technically assuming, based on every other game on here using it).
With that, I've fully read the first 500 posts, and links within... I have to take care of some things this morning in my real life.
Wow. Caught up.
Okay for anyone that missed it, I claimed in #517. I'm amazed at the stupidity of anyone being surprised people with power roles don't wave a flag all day to tell mafia to kill them. I am further not going to be baited into saying more, as Coal is trying to get any other power roles to reveal themselves (or me to tell scum precisely which I am for their risk analysis).
With Objectivity dead, and me scheduled to die, people should treat right now as DP2 with me already dead.
I can’t post more atm but Lunatic seems scummier to me. At this point I’m pretty committed to lynching Ragnar because if Ragnar is guilty, I think Lunatic reads scum. But within the next few hours I’ll reread the potential set ups and last few posts to see if NL is the best option (doubtful).
@Ragnar - the fact that you think it’s scummy I’m not tagging you or whatever is dumb because I’m not really tagging anyone. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don’t, but it’s not intentional and I never said someone not responding right away was scummy so this little assessment just sounds desperate coupled with claiming a power role. Like I said I’ll reread within the next few hours to elaborate.
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@Danielle
"the fact that you think it’s scummy I’m not tagging you or whatever is dumb"
You can reread your own post. "If Ragnar has anything insightful to add, now's the time..." You chose to make a deal out of how fast I should respond to it. Consider that you've admitted previously that when you were in some danger of being lynched for inactivity, it was my tagging you that got you to check in. That I presume you are intelligent enough to know how to tag people when it's important ("now's the time..."), makes it read a little suspicious to me. Granted, too many people VTLed others to pressure for activity, while making the choice to refuse to tag said targets to actually pressure them, for it to be a scum exclusive behavior.
My conclusion on you is still more likely town. I don't get why people insist on all or nothing. Noting behavior to possibly look back at later, seems much better than tunneling based on deciding things ahead of time (e.g., how many people have said I should die for being the least active player, in spite of the evidence of others who are even less active?).
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@Barney
Saying "now's the time" wasn't meant to be literal. People had been focusing on you and asking for your reads for several pages (the majority of the game). We already said we weren't lynching until today and after multiple other people had posted, so you weren't in danger of being lynched yesterday and I wasn't asking anyone to hammer. In fact I said not to, so this little note seems conjured up. Also, if you really do have a power role then you should probs have been paying more attention to the game or found a better way to deviate attention away from yourself. None of this behavior seems town to me, and while I admittedly don't have much memory/experience playing with you, Oro who is apparently in another game with you and can speak to your behavior is MIA.
I'd still like to wait for Oro and Sui to post before ending the day phase. Sui made two useless posts that didn't contribute anything (Airmax didn't say much either, but we can revisit that later). We were specifically waiting for Sui and Oro. Sui, please post reads. You asked not to end the DP until you posted but then you had nothing to say.
Lunatic seems scummier to me regardless of Ragnar's affiliation actually. This isn't a strong read but there's something about his posts re: Ragnar that don't feel right. Ragnar's playing reads scummy, so if Ragnar is in fact innocent, then I would suspect Lunatic for not jumping on the obvious target (allowing me to drive focus on Ragnar instead). However if Ragnar is scum, then Lunatic trying to draw away from lynching him just seems too obvious. Not only did he suggest a NL earlier (fair enough if he's okay with that in general) but #1 lynching today gives us info and #2 he was like "If you can't see why I'm not voting Ragnar today, I dunno what to tell you" or something like that. Dude... he blatantly claimed a power role lol or alluded to having a power role. So yes, we all get why you unvoted and why you insist on not voting him today. It just seems too convenient. Admittedly whichever way Ragnar flips isn't gonna make me suspect Lunatic less now (sorry) but I just wanted to throw this out there in case I die during the night.
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Lunatic seems scummier to me regardless of Ragnar's affiliation actually. This isn't a strong read but there's something about his posts re: Ragnar that don't feel right. Ragnar's playing reads scummy, so if Ragnar is in fact innocent, then I would suspect Lunatic for not jumping on the obvious target (allowing me to drive focus on Ragnar instead). However if Ragnar is scum, then Lunatic trying to draw away from lynching him just seems too obvious. Not only did he suggest a NL earlier (fair enough if he's okay with that in general)
Got it, too conservative for you. I should tunnel vision more, yeah that's the more town like thing to do huh?
but #1 lynching today gives us info
Less concerned about that after Objectivity's death, we have info already.
and #2 he was like "If you can't see why I'm not voting Ragnar today, I dunno what to tell you" or something like that. Dude... he blatantly claimed a power role lol or alluded to having a power role. So yes, we all get why you unvoted and why you insist on not voting him today.
Forgive me for not openly speculating about the mans power role for any un-suspecting mafia members who may not have read the claim, or who were too inactive to catch it.
It just seems too convenient. Admittedly whichever way Ragnar flips isn't gonna make me suspect Lunatic less now (sorry) but I just wanted to throw this out there in case I die during the night.
Whatever. I'm kinda okay being slightly scum read in games like these, but not scum read enough to justify lynching. Guarantees longevity, I am less likely to be night killed early if scum think I am a potential mislynch.
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@Lunatic
How do I respond to your post? Do I need to do HTML or something?
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@Danielle
How do I respond to your post? Do I need to do HTML or something?
Do you mean how to qoute? Just copy past the part your qouting, highlight it, and click the two little qoutation mark symbol
I should have posted this much earlier... (no useful insight for the game, just on presentation)
Formatting Best Practices:
For actual debates, I highly suggest referencing the guide. However, for general forum use, just obey a few simple rules:
- Space between things is useful if you wish to be legible,
- Don’t bold and/or CAPITALIZE all of your text, and
- Don’t misquote other users.
Regarding the quote tool (just right of the underline button when making a post), bare in mind it adds an extra space after its paragraphs; so if replying just after it, use a couple line breaks around each section.
Correct Way
What’s being replied to...
Reply to the above, followed by two line breaks to separate it from the next point of discussion.
What’s being replied to next...
Reply to the above..
Wrong Way
What’s being replied to...
Reply to the above, disguised to look like it’s replying to what’s below; adding needless confusion.
What’s being replied to next
Reply to the above..
The problem with this is there are no extra line breaks, which clusters the wrong bits together. That the formatting does this is known, so use the extra line breaks.
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@Lunatic
Thanks, I will look into the formatting later (I'm about to be on work calls for the next few hours).
Anyway I don't think being conservative is necessarily a bad thing, but I don't recall this being your play style. It's actually more of my play style. But it just seemed like if you were scum, maybe you figured out a way to win the game if we delayed lynching Ragnar a day (with Objectivity being mod killed). I know you had been working out the math so suddenly thinking maybe we should NL when Ragnar is playing so sus IMO stood out.
I don't know how anyone could have possibly missed what Ragnar claimed, so your post just felt so weird. I mean you're saying "excuse me for not wanting to draw attention to Ragnar's hint" but you drew attention to it yourself by saying "Well I think we all know what Ragnar is saying so unvote because of that." If anyone wasn't paying attention to his post, they would be after that statement, so...
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@Barney
You have coal listed as your top scum read on your list, but you are voting sui?
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@Danielle
You asked not to end the DP until you posted but then you had nothing to say.
Would you mind linking the post where I asked that?
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@Danielle
Anyway I don't think being conservative is necessarily a bad thing, but I don't recall this being your play style.
Not to sound all humble sauce or anything, but I try to switch up my play style frequently to see what works and what doesn't. I've been aggressive, and I've been more conservative in games as town lately. I was ultra aggressive in The Office mafia as town for example, and was wrong on quite a lot of my reads. Also my play-style depends largely on the crowd. This game has a lot of veterans who know what they were doing. DART lately has a lot of either lazy, inactive, or just younger kids who play and I've kind of had to play more of an aggressive lynch pursuant role. I have a greater respect for the individuals playing in this game, I realize scum have a higher potential to fool me than the normal crowd, and I am constantly second guessing my reads because of it. Even with coal for example, at face value I keep wanting to insist to myself he is town, but a small part of my brain is nagging at me that I am being fooled.
It's actually more of my play style. But it just seemed like if you were scum, maybe you figured out a way to win the game if we delayed lynching Ragnar a day (with Objectivity being mod killed). I know you had been working out the math so suddenly thinking maybe we should NL when Ragnar is playing so sus IMO stood out.
At the end of the day, I'll repeat what I said before, I think the benefit of waiting on Ragnar beats lynching him. If he's a power role, we are just shooting ourselves in the foot for no reason, and if he's scum, a flip or two will all but confirm he is lying as we will learn what set up we are in sooner rather than later.
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@Barney
Would you mind linking the post where I asked that?
That was @Sui
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@Lunatic
You have coal listed as your top scum read on your list, but you are voting sui?
I considered changing it, but my hypothesis is that Coal and Sui are a scum team. When I put a little pressure on Sui, Coal freaked out and tried to mislynch me... Had Sui made those same posts, people would be faster to spot OMGUS red herring retaliation. Since then Sui has been virtually silent.
So I'm maintaining my vote, so to keep his name highlighted on the vote counts, thus try to sabotage his tactic of lurking while his scum buddy redirects the heat.
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@Danielle
That was @Sui
My bad. Sorry for the confusion.
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@Lunatic
@Barney
Not to sound all humble sauce or anything, but I try to switch up my play style frequently to see what works and what doesn't.
Fair enough @ your last post. I'm not vtl you and I'm not saying you're definitively scum, but felt my observation was worth noting. Would you wanna NL today or pressure someone else? Regardless I don't think we should end the day phase until Sui and Oro contribute.
@Ragnar, is Oro posting in your other game?
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@Barney
gotcha. I'll consider Coal more carefully, though I still think he has displayed town motivations more than not, I have a couple things nagging at me about him that I have been pushing off to the side.
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@Danielle
Yeah I've got my vote on sui atm for just that reason.
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@Lunatic
#598
I'm on page 12, just woke up, reading v soon please tell me how many hours I have, bit sleep delirious
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@sui_generis
this is the last day of the phase i think