Well, actually you are making excuses for Max's inactivity and you have done so several times so far. But maybe those are good excuses. For now they are at least good enough that I am willing to focus on Ragnar and Objectivity, in that order.
Also, if roles and affiliations are randomized, you agree that the mod psych reason Dani gave for Max's affiliation is no longer viable?
Your independent alternative explanation is a reason to discount Max's inactivity as being affiliation indicative. I presume you think that is sufficient? For the time being I am willing to entertain this.
Ragnar could both be having an IRL emergency and be scum. I'm willing to wait til tomorrow (Thursday) to vtl him. Hearing more from Sui and Oro might be good too (hopefully Airmax as well). It'd be interesting to see how they respond to all this. But ideally we don't have to wait until Friday to end the day phase.
Does anyone think Airmax has a scum tell? (You don't have to say what it is - just if you think he has one.)
You are making a case for why we should be VTLing TUF (Lunatic) for death
I assume Zaradi and Coal are not a team, due to their behavior toward each other. ... FYI, expect me to minimize mentions of Coal.Does this mean they are both town reads?
Zaradi did a good post in #273.What specifically was good about it?
Seeing the lack of anyone following up
Objectivity insisting we do a lynch, I instinctively find to be scummy, but then the math is shown on why lynching is better... This becomes neutral to me, as I do understand town should make themselves useful to town with such things, and scum should do it to seem like town. Assuming this isn't their first or second game, again, neutral. However, not in my ok to lynch pile.This feels like a non-statement, and an easy way to pass off Objectivity as if you actually just placed a read on him when in actuality you didn't. I am suspecting a ragnar/objectivity scum team.
The group Dani identifies in 179 is Ragnar, Oro, Lunatic, and Airmax.Absent from Dani's group is TUF.
I am waiting for Ragnars response also on lucky for a vote count before I potentially vote him, but I am on the same page. Currently seeing scum between objectivity/ragnar or objectivity/zaradi. The first seems more likely atm based on Ragnar's non-read of objectivity.
Not for death. Pretty sure I made it explicitly clear I dont support lynching him yet
Ok. That raises a new question from me then. If Ragnar is town do you think Zaradi is scum? Alternatively, if Ragnar is scum do you think Zaradi is scum?You did not mention a possible Ragnar/Zaradi combination. Do you think that is not viable? Why?
I will address the more pertinent ones here. I agree that TUF's post 181 raises several questions, some of which your response identifies. I think 191 also raises similar questions. Specifically, in 191, TUF characterized Dani's list of candidates to investigate further as a "convoluted pressure group". I have a hard time understanding why that group is convoluted. The group Dani identifies in 179 is Ragnar, Oro, Lunatic, and Airmax.TUF was defending himself in 181, which means that he had at least some reason to be defensive as Dani FOS'd him. Still, TUF was defending a group of three others. I still do not understand why TUF was defending Ragnar, Oro, or Airmax. I do not believe that Airmax's inactivity is per se not indicative of affiliation, either. Despite the fact that TUF was defending himself, to some degree, it makes less sense why he was defending Ragnar, Oro, or Max. Moreover, if TUF is town then he should be willing to pressure at least one of that group, and he should have a preference for which among the group is the best candidate or he should be suggesting another option based on a set of reads wherein he identifies a more ideal candidate for investigation/pressure. At that point in the game, TUF had not done so.Instead, in 181, TUF is doing one thing that matters and not doing two things that matter. The two things he is not doing is even entertaining a willingness to investigate/pressure while in the same instance he is not suggesting another alternative outside of that group. As town, if TUF has a better idea of who to pressure then he should be speaking up; identifying someone that is not in that group. The one thing he is doing that matters in 181 is he is casting doubt of the very utility of pressuring/investigation in the first instance. You identify this, correctly, as well, and seem to understand the implications to the degree that you are at least willing to state it.In my prior post I claimed that both of you could not be scum. So, there are three possible worlds: TUF is town and you are scum; TUF is scum and you are town; or you and TUF are both town. The first and the third options become less viable, considering TUF's more recent activity I discuss above; which means that the world I am thinking about now as being the most likely would mean that TUF is scum, but that also would mean you have to be town. So as town, what I would expect you to be doing is at least catching most of the obvious things, and moving the ball forward. Independently of your past interactions with Oro, it seems like you're doing that. The events as they develop also look consistent with my past thinking that you both cannot be scum because you are hard scum reading TUF now to the point that you want him to be at L-1, which is not something I expect scum to do. You are also willing to lead the wagon here whereas you beat around the bush with Oro. I think you are saying that you are more confident that TUF is scum than you were that Oro was scum, and more confident that TUF is scum than that either of Objectivity are scum. (Here's something that's lingering in the back of my mind, though. I think as well you seem to have been demonstrating the most interest of anyone in actually getting something useful out of DP1; difficult as that may be. I think there's two possible reasons for that. More on this tomorrow.)So there's a huge contrast between what you're doing and what TUF is doing. I am open to revisiting my town read on TUF. As of 278, Danielle VTL'd Ragnar, Sui followed Danielle. The only other vote on the board is yours, after TUF unvoted in 154, which I note is the first instance where my thinking on TUF became less certain. I asked others to post insight on why they thought my town read on TUF was wrong. Admittedly, it wasn't a strong read but one of instinct. I have a lot of thoughts on 154, but I've said enough for now.
Lunatic - Potentially scumRagnar - Potentially scumMax - Potentially scumObjectivity - Uncertain; needs to post more and respond to my prior post 199Oro - Uncertain; seems like clueless townZaradi - Potentially town, subject to events NP1 and DP2Sui - Potentially townDanielle - Town
Obviously this post is only going to fire TUF up more because he will think I am scum buddying with Ragnar but w/e
and I am worried about looking scummy bc I don't want to be mislynched, pretty straightforward
He has not really done much to generate discussion so far outside of trying to bus me
Ok. That raises a new question from me then. If Ragnar is town do you think Zaradi is scum? Alternatively, if Ragnar is scum do you think Zaradi is TOWN?You did not mention a possible Ragnar/Zaradi combination. Do you think that is not viable? Why?
He has not really done much to generate discussion so far outside of trying to bus me- Objectivity 328Is this a slip?
Anything's possible. The two scum teams I mentioned are based on my current feeling that objectivity is scummier than almost any town player, and the connection I made between Ragnar and objectivity because Ragnar basically gave a non-read on him, which is something I imagine scum would be likely to do on accident to make it seem like they are actually making a read on their scum buddy. Zaradi's my least strongest scum read, but in the case ragnar is town my best feeling is it would be objectivity/zaradi. Though I place objectivity/ragnar higher atm.
