Liberals take one line and skew it the opposite of what it is meant to say
Those same athletes wouldn't think twice about kneeling during the Chinese anthem.
New country needs a new Anthem. Preferably with a Latin beat.
Liberals take one line and skew it the opposite of what it is meant to say
That is NOT what he said. I would recommend you re-read the entire thread and my responses.This was not about "disrespect". or disagreement.
You are not reflecting on the issue that I was conversing about.
What you are conversing about is irrelevant to his contention. His contention is what I quoted. If you disagree with it state why instead of taking subsequent comments out of context and commenting on them.
He never said it should be illegal. It’s not fascist to say it’s disrespectful to kneel during the national anthem. Everyone knows he has the right to do. Doesn’t mean he should.
I don't look to punish Colin Kaepernick is the difference. I said that in the line after that. So I see no point in arguing with someone who takes one line out of context
An authoritarian society would punish you for doing that. What Kaepernick did was disrespectful, not illegal. Big difference. Yet again misinterpreting what I say
1. If CK did not show up, you do not know what he did in private. You just don't know.
2. If it was soo offensive and egregious, why don't you know the names of the "many players" that kneeled?
Resenting and saying you do not like or have some hate for, are VERY different. I resent my wife for always banging the car up. That does not mean I do not like her, or that I have any hate for her. It's a pain in the ass she can't open her fucking eyes, and I have to deal with it..... very different.
Again. I don't apply it should be illegal. I say that Colin Kaeprernick is being disrespectful. He SHOULD stand for the flag. My statement is the same. Stop twisting my words to sound like I'm a fascist dictator
The line doesn't imply I am supporting an authoritarian society, it says that in a authoritarian society, he would have been punished. I then said I do not believe it should be punishable, but I believe it's disrespectful.
Again. I don't apply it should be illegal. I say that Colin Kaeprernick is being disrespectful. He SHOULD stand for the flag. My statement is the same. Stop twisting my words to sound like I'm a fascist dictatorI am not accusing you of being the dictator, i am accusing you of being the crowd supporting the dictator and his policies. There are many authoitarian regimes, the point of mentioning fascism is, again, the hypernationalism that puts the nation above criticism.
The line doesn't imply I am supporting an authoritarian society, it says that in a authoritarian society, he would have been punished. I then said I do not believe it should be punishable, but I believe it's disrespectful.If your criticism was that kapernick was protesting something that did not deserve protest, thats a discussion. But if you say he should be ostracized (a punishment) for peacefully protest the anthem for any reason (which is what you said)... that is fascism.
Your argument rests on a direct connection between the national anthem and the military, yet despite repeated requests, you are not explaining this connection.
America was built on disrespecting your nation (Britian), and the right of citizens to protest, criticize, and resist the nation. Blind love of America, and putting it beyond criticism (fascism) is the most UnAmerican thing you can do. If something cannot be criticized, it will never improve.
1. You felt it offensive to military
2. You though it as egregious during 9/11, even though he was not in the public eye.
3. You do not know the names of all the other players who took the same protest.Why is it not egregious for some, yet egregious for CK?
Let's remember the exact time when the protests started. It was a combination of factors. Public black youths being killed, white supremacy on the rise with Donald Trump being the nominee (.i.e. the support from noted white supremacists Richard Spencer) are all contributing factors.
It has to be noted that the flag was not designed to represent the troops or the police. It represents the 50 states, originally the 13 colonies, founded not the premise, that "all men are created equal". That is what the flag represents, All mean created equal.
So let's look at that. Regardless of if you agree with his deduction that the US oppresses black people and people of color, CK still has the right to protest.
So why do we call CK out, for exercising his right, a right that the entire foundation of the country is based on? Why is your topic not "anyone who disagrees or desecrates the flag is a fucking idiot". Why is it CK?
And that is your right. If you just want to say, Fuck off, its what I think, I will respond, well that is your right, and I would defend you against anyone who challenged that.
shows he would have planned to kneel during the ceremony,
I don't. Why should it matter. It is egregious for all of them.
I have tried to show you respect and given you ways out. I have even said how I defend you. Unfortunately, you want to double down on nonsense.You state that Ck sitting out:shows he would have planned to kneel during the ceremony,You don't know that. You don't even know, because you were not there and did not ask him. You are making shit up to defend yourself, and you just don't know. You did not even qualify your answer, you stated it as a fact. As a famous, yet unnamed, orange creature would say "fake news".
I am, but a 10th of the way through your response, and you already lose credibility.
You then state in response to the question about why would you highlight CK ad not the others who protested,I don't. Why should it matter. It is egregious for all of them.It does matter. You entire premise is based on conduct that is egregious. You give no reason to highlight CK and he was not even there. Your premise is based on a supposition on why CK did not attend. You have no idea the names of the other players.... because you say it does not matter. Why does it matter for CK?
Next, you tie yourself in a logical know. You say at one point the anthem is about the brave "men" who fought. If you are defending the rights of the military and their honor why are you sexist about it?
The troop death on the day of 9/11 is a handful. Al horrifically caused by heinous acts. However, there were collectively thousands of fathers, mothers, children, civil servants, public servants killed.
You misrepresent what the flag is, what 9/11 is, and what the national anthem is for. You draw baseless conclusions about why CK did not show up. Your concern for others that acted in an "egregious manner" is summed up by a "yeah well they were bad."You are focusing on CK, who was not even present and calling him a Fcking idiot. You do not respect his right to protest (if that is what he was doing, but we do not know that because he was not in public and made no comments about why he was not present).In your misplaced cloud of patriotism, you cast an enormous tarp of justification and unqualified censorship, failing to recognize that even when people disagree with you, defending their right to disagree is more important than trying to censor them for not agreeing.The title and your narrative still strongly suggest an individual issue with CK rather than a border issue with the behavior.
You accused me of being a fascist. I poked holes in that. Now you say that you didn't say that. You clearly said that my mentality is fascist. If your way of thinking is fascist, you then identify yourself as a fascist.
I never stated he himself should be ostracized from the league. I never said he doesn't deserve a job in the NFL. I simply think it is disrespectful
It's intended purpose in 1931 according to Mark Clague “Professional sports needed to define themselves as patriotic in order to be seen as as part of the war on the home front and center for morale rather than as an expendable entertainment which is how they were initially,”Smithsonian states the anthem was "The music was a hit in America. A patriotic song, "Adams and Liberty" (later changed to "Jefferson and Liberty"), adopted the tune, which was also used for a song celebrating the naval war against Barbary pirates, early in the 19th century: "When the warrior returns, from the battle afar, To the home and the country he nobly defended...." And who had written that? Francis Scott Key."The National Anthem is for respecting the soldiers who have died for our battle of freedom. If you have issues, you can protest these issues in an environment that does not directly relate to the death of soldiers who fought for our freedom.
"O’er the ramparts we watch’d were so gallantly streaming?And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there,"This verse in the anthem has nothing to do with the expression of injustice. It is a way to honor the military who have fought hard for our country in the first place. Hadn't they fought for our freedom, we would be under a Nazi rule where we would have no freedom of expression, and Colin Kapernick would be dead. Without the military protecting us, allowing us to protest, we would not have these rights.These lines I represents show the long hours and the bombings. This is an element of the military, which Colin Kapernick still kneeled for, a sign of disrespect
So you want to disrespect the soldiers who helped you fight to speak freely? Disrespect Trump all you want but you really want to disrespect our fallen troops who died so you can talk about the issue in our societySo you have no respect for the soldiers. Good to know
