I left, the Democratic Party, to vote for Trump.

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do you find it a bit peculiar that the covid stats are quite readily available from other countries but the flu stats are not?  I'm not even talking about the accuracy or any of that but just the fact that they don't seem to exist for the flu, sure the U.S. has them on the c.d.c. website but where is the country to country comparisons like we are seeing now?  maybe the U.S. leads in flu deaths too, perhaps other disease states which could indicate a serious infection control issue.  Don't you think that would be something we should know and deal with?  So why don't we have these stats too?
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Did you know the WHO has censored ANY data regarding COVID from Taiwan?

WHO is a fucking joke.

Shows you Trump was right. WHO has been bought and influenced by China. Cut off the funding.

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Trump has taken 10 times more questions than any other president from MSM media that systemically reports half-truths and censors things their corporate sponsors don't like.
Everything Trump says is broadcast for all to see. He often refuses to answer questions when his accountability is at stake. The rest of your statement sounds like a conspiracy theory.

The number one laughable charge of Trump is that he suppresses free speech when almost everyone, even many of his supporters, would want him to shut up.
The charges I've seen is that Trump constantly lies, is incompetent, is a narcissist and could care less about his supporters.

CNN regularly cuts away from the president's comments on daily press briefings to deliver their own sermon instead, dictating what people need to see, hear, and think. Exactly as China's regime does.
If you can prove that, I'd like to see it, but it doesn't matter considering everything Trump says publicly can be found, easily. It's when you do see everything he says that really shows how much of an imbecile he is.

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I would agree we probably should have better information about the flu, but unfortunately, Trump fired lots of folks from the CDC and cut their funding. 
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No, Trump wasn't right. Trump is trying to blame the WHO for his own bungling incompetence of handling the pandemic.

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While there are many that think American Nationalism is somehow evil, they have absolutely no problems whatsoever with Chinese Nationalism, even singing praises for Chinese Nationalism.

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Trump fired lots of folks from the CDC and cut their funding. 
And that's the only reason why we can't get information from China and other countries about the FLU?

Your Orangemanbad is showing.

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I would agree we probably should have better information about the flu, but unfortunately, Trump fired lots of folks from the CDC and cut their funding.
the CDC is not responsible for getting and collecting disease stats from other countries, just the U.S.  The media is totally free to get those stats and report them (if other countries collect and provide them)  This is not something you can blame on Trump.  If you'd like to place blame the W.H.O. is probably the best target.
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We weren't talking about China, we were talking about the flu and specifically the numbers in the US.

If you don't think Trump fired experts from the CDC and decreased their funding and that the US is suffering as a result, please do explain yourself rather than insulting me.

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 If you'd like to place blame the W.H.O. is probably the best target.
You can't blame the WHO for the lack of information provided by each individual government. They aren't a police force.

Have you read through the WHO website, here's something on the seasonal flu.

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do you find it a bit peculiar that the covid stats are quite readily available from other countries but the flu stats are not? 
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again, it seems inconsistent that previous pandemics where not covered nor treated the same with regards to information etc, it could make one think this is mostly political bs.
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Other pandemics were covered, but didn't affect anywhere near the amount of people or how quickly it spread. Perhaps, it also has to do with how fast information gets around the globe these days.
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do you find it a bit peculiar that the covid stats are quite readily available from other countries but the flu stats are not? 
You're quite sure they're not available? You've done the research?

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Other pandemics were covered, but didn't affect anywhere near the amount of people or how quickly it spread. Perhaps, it also has to do with how fast information gets around the globe these days.
that could very well be, though I sure would like to see a retrospective on it since people do compare covid and flu

anyway many democrats are happy with the job Trump has done, many of whom never liked him at all, the time line speaks for itself which aligned directly or preceded recommendations or suggestions from W.H.O.
remember he was called racist etc all sorts of things for implementing the travel bans to China etc, many democrats said it wasn't needed etc  I would suggest you go back and review the interviews of the democrats and reports when this started.
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On the other hand, there are publicly available clips of Pelosi and other Democratic leaders encouraging Americans to participate in the Chinese New year festivals. This along with the opposition to the travel bans from Wuhan.

Where is the outrage?

There is also a virtual media blackout on exposing Chinese wet-markets and discussing bat to human crossover. 

Youtube will censor any content discussing it. How is this helpful to Americans?
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glad to see you back on the website
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that could very well be, though I sure would like to see a retrospective on it since people do compare covid and flu
I think they are very different other than the fact they both attack our lungs. Not sure why people compare them.

anyway many democrats are happy with the job Trump has done
They would be wrong, Trump has done a terrible job, he's a bumbling fool. His record as a business man and politician attest to that.

remember he was called racist
He is a racist, has been for many years and will probably never change. There's a long list of racist remarks he's made publicly since the 1970's. 
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They would be wrong.

Many Democrats are really getting tired of apologizing for China and being publicly shamed for questioning China. At least the ones that identify as American first and Democrat second.
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On the other hand, there are publicly available clips of Pelosi and other Democratic leaders encouraging Americans to participate in the Chinese New year festivals.
You mean back in January? What is Pelosi saying now? Here, let me help you with that one.



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Many Democrats are really getting tired of apologizing for China and being publicly shamed for questioning China. At least the ones that identify as American first and Democrat second.
Your proof of that is what?

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you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you have some facts I'd certainly read them.
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From your source about "fact-checking" (which is really an authoritative biased partisan diatribe on opinion checking)

"We scoured news clips and could find only a couple instances of elected Democrats criticizing the president’s action to restrict travel."


They obviously didn't have enough of a confirmation bias to motivate much research I guess when the Presidential Candidate is doing it. Pretty sure Biden was elected many times.

"On the day Trump imposed the travel restrictions, Biden did criticize Trump for his “record of hysteria and xenophobia,” but it is unclear whether Biden was referring to Trump’s travel restrictions, or Trump’s overall qualifications to deal with the epidemic."

The entire "factcheck" industry is unclear because they routinely equate certain opinions with facts while arbitrarily dismissing other opinions. All factcheck sites produce pure narrative-driven political propaganda while masquerading as an authoritative source.
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nothing in the links gives any indication that he did or is doing a bad job, however else you worded it with covid it's just opinion, I didn't read any facts

when the travel restriction went into effect how many infected people were in the U.S.?  How many deaths?  I heard it was around 7 and no deaths, though we didn't have all the testing then but it was also just beginning.  It seemed appropriate to implement the restriction based on what was known when it was known, some said it was too soon so it's still rather subjective.



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The entire "factcheck" industry is unclear because it is clearly equating certain opinions with facts while dismissing other opinions. It's pure political propaganda disguised as an authoritative source.
You make a lot of claims like that but never back them up.

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yeah I'm not going to sift through a bunch of links, if there are parts that you can quote from them that aren't just tds opinions, you know, actual facts I'd look at that.
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Have the media engaged in false equivalence when it comes to political lying? Do fact-checkers nitpick statements by Democrats in order to seem fair and balanced when they go after President Trump’s numerous and blatant falsehoods?

That proposition might seem ludicrous. After all, The Washington Post last month announced that Trump had made more than 12,000 false or misleading statements since his inauguration in 2017. Daniel Dale of CNN tracks every Trumpian falsehood — writing, for example, that the president “made at least 26 false claims” at a rally in New Mexico on Monday. PolitiFact has rated fully 69 percent of Trump’s public utterances as false to some degree, and 14 percent as being so at odds with reality that they have earned the coveted “Pants on Fire” rating.

And that’s just the tip of the journalistic iceberg. Indeed, if the media have told us anything about Trump over these past few years, it’s that he spews lies so freely that his every word and every tweet is suspect. So what do Democrats have to complain about?

This: Despite the media’s admirably tough-minded stance on Trump’s falsehoods, they are nevertheless holding Democrats to a much higher standard. Most politicians exaggerate, butcher the facts or shade the truth, and journalists should take note when they do. But the press should also be careful to point out the difference between standard-issue rhetorical excesses and the sort of gaslighting that Trump engages in on a daily basis.

Last week Michael Calderone of Politico wrote an important story about Democratic complaints regarding the fact-checkers’ embrace of false equivalence. He began with the example of Bernie Sanders’ claim that “500,000 Americans will go bankrupt this year from medical bills.” The Washington Post’s Fact Checker column awarded three Pinocchios (out of a possible four) to Sanders — not because he was completely wrong, but because medical bills were only one factor in those 500,000 bankruptcies. Meanwhile, Calderone noted, the Post also gave Trump three Pinocchios for claiming that large swaths of his border wall have been already built when, in fact, none of it has.

The Sanders example is a matter of factual interpretation. The Trump example is somewhere between a hallucination and a lie. Yet they each got the same rating. How can this be?

One explanation is that journalism, steeped as it is in notions of fairness and balance, is unequipped for the extraordinary challenge of the Trump era. Calderone offered several other instances of Democrats’ words being parsed for shades of nuance so that they could be labeled as lies. He also wrote that “several prominent fact-checkers said they don’t believe their job has changed when it comes to holding politicians accountable for their words on the stump and in TV studios, despite Trump’s persistence falsehoods.” And he quoted PolitiFact editor Angie Drobnic Holan as saying, “Two wrongs don’t make a right.” OK. But everything is not the same.

Consider an example that Calderone didn’t cite: Joe Biden’s recent mixing up of three separate stories about honoring a heroic soldier who had tried to save a comrade in Afghanistan. Yes, Biden botched it pretty badly, but the essential truth of what he was trying to say came through. Yet The Washington Post headlined it, “As he campaigns for president, Joe Biden tells a moving but false war story.” False? Not really. More like Biden being Biden, lacking the discipline to master the details and not understanding why it matters.

Or how about two years of obsessing over Hillary Clinton’s private email server while the news that Trump uses an unsecured cell phone, reported last October in The New York Times, got about two minutes’ worth of attention — even though Chinese and Russian spies were reportedly listening in on Trump’s calls.

Those last examples aren’t about lies and fact-checking. But all of this is grounded in a larger, more enduring issue — accusations of liberal bias on the part of conservatives, and the duck-and-cover response from too many journalists whose politics may indeed be liberal but who bend over backwards to torment liberal politicians. Eric Alterman, in his 2003 book, “What Liberal Media?,” called it “working the refs,” and it goes back at least to Spiro Agnew’s famous nattering nabobs of negativism speech of 1970.

In 2012 — a more innocent time — I wrote in The Huffington Post that one of the big problems with fact-checking was that politicians’ false or partly false statements were rarely full-blown lies, but that ratings like Pinocchios or “Pants on Fire” suggested that every falsehood was a lie. “The fact-checkers are shifting from judging facts to indulging in opinion, but they’re not necessarily doing it because they want to,” I wrote. “They’re doing it because politicians don’t flat-out lie as frequently as we might suppose.” Now we have a president who lies so promiscuously that the fact-checkers seek out minor factual discrepancies among Democrats so it won’t seem like they’re picking on Trump.

In a report for Harvard's Shorenstein Center, Thomas Patterson found that press coverage of Hillary Clinton in the 2016 campaign was actually more negative than that of Trump. In other words, her emails were treated the same as or worse than her opponent's racist outbursts, the “Access Hollywood” tape, corruption at the Trump Foundation and so much more.

“Indiscriminate criticism has the effect of blurring important distinctions,” Patterson wrote. “Were the allegations surrounding Clinton of the same order of magnitude as those surrounding Trump? It’s a question that journalists made no serious effort to answer during the 2016 campaign. They reported all the ugly stuff they could find, and left it to the voters to decide what to make of it.”

Now we are moving into yet another presidential election season. The problem for 2020, as it was for 2016, isn’t that the media won’t report negative information about Trump. It’s that they will report negative information about his opponents in such a way that it all looks the same. In that respect, Democratic complaints about fact-checking that may seem trivial are actually emblematic of a much deeper problem with journalism: the primal urge to treat both sides equally, to be seen as fair, to avoid accusations of liberal bias.

It’s going to be an ugly, brutal campaign, and Trump’s going to drive the agenda once again. Are the media up to the challenge? The evidence suggests that the answer to that question is no.