AOC Demands Illegal Invaders get their "fair share"

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...if there was a functioning immigration system then they could simply do it legally without any need for a coyote.
This is a lie. We cannot possibly take in every immigrant who wants to come in.

We do have a functioning immigration system, but by "functioning", HB means " open borders".

Think of the lack of logic here. Immigrants try to bypass the immigration system not because it isn't functioning, but because it IS, and would rightly reject them!

HB sneakily assumes that all immigrants would be accepted if we had a "functioning" system. Why would they? Because as far as HB is concerned, a "functioning" system is one that let's every immigrant in!

Imagine the million more disease carriers we would have had sneaking around America if Trump had not had the good sense to block their entry and ship out the illegals before corona!

The problem is current economic system, not immigration.
Even more reason to not compound the problem with poor backward illegals.
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Sanctuary cities had the worst outbreaks of course.
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Reality has a pesky way of contradicting liberal PC nonsense. But they never learn.
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lol so the difference between your ancestors and the current illegal immigrants is your ancestors murdered the people who already lived here and stole the land. The current illegal immigrants just want a chance to live here with the current inhabitants. I guess it is a false equivalency, your ancestors are much worse. 

Yup and that’s why you learn from history and prevent unfettered immigration, but thanks for the concession anyways.

those 2 things have nothing to do with each other. Immigrants increase the tax base, increasing tax revenue and making it easier to take care of homeless and the veterans. 
So having more people reduces our problems? Then why do problems exist lol. Magically saying more immigrants = more taxes is blatantly false especially if they come here with nothing and live on welfare for a couple of years.

I have no idea why people on the right argue we can't spend money doing something good because there is some other good thing we could do. The answer is really simple, put taxes at a reasonable level and then do both. 
The answer is pretty simple. The obligation of the President is to legal aliens. Not to mention good is subjective. If I can feed 20 people a day, I should because it’s “good.” If people are “good” then we wouldn’t have hunger problems right now. Deal with the fact that human nature is inherently designed for self preservation. Those are the laws of nature. You can mitigate their effects but you can’t take them away. At the end of the day if it’s 3 illegal aliens for myself and my spouse I’m going to choose myself and my spouse. You call it greed. I call it my moral obligation to my family. That’s why we all ask, if you want to supoort an illegal alien in your house, go right ahead, but coincidentally every time that question is asked, people get the gitters. You can say we should help illegals, but how many can we help? Resources are limited as I’m sure you know as it’s the Fundamental Rule of Economics. You may say “as many as we can support” but that inherently lowers my standard of living and increases their until it’s right down in the middle, and no one would support their family’s condition deteriorate just so that some they don’t even know gets a better life. And don’t get me wrong. I believe in charity. What I don’t believe in is forceful charity, because at that point it isn’t charity.
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The problem is current economic system, not immigration.
Even more reason to not compound the problem with poor backward illegals.

Yes the problem is economics. Rule Number 1: Resources are limited
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Liberals believe that resources are limited because you selfishly want to spend YOUR money on YOUR family instead of on little Fatima from the Congo.

Their solution?
The answer is really simple, put taxes at a reasonable level and then do both. 
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Liberals, of course, will never acknowledge that by increasing taxes on YOU, it is YOU they are forcing to do both!

From HB's solution above, here is what we know...

1. A reasonable level of taxes is when you have nothing left.
2. Any "good" left undone while the taxpayer has income remaining is an immoral situation.
3. Liberals think taxable income is an unlimited resource.

It is constrictive to have to follow the boards rules when talking to people with such blindingly stupid and unfair ideas.
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Liberals believe that resources are limited because you selfishly want to spend YOUR money on YOUR family instead of on little Fatima from the Congo.

Their solution?
lol it's sad how short sighted you are. I am talking about bringing in legal immigrants, increasing the workforce and therefore increasing the tax base. It is good for the economy, it is good for the country, and yes it also is good for the immigrants. Everyone benefits. You just want to scream about taxes and make semi racist comments. 

1. A reasonable level of taxes is when you have nothing left.
america's top tax bracket has been falling for decades. No one is asking for anything unprecendented. They are asking for the tax rate to back to what it was not that long ago. But you just want to whine about "we'll have nothing left!!!"

2. Any "good" left undone while the taxpayer has income remaining is an immoral situation.
this is just stupid. no one has ever said that. 

3. Liberals think taxable income is an unlimited resource.
no one thinks that. 


It is constrictive to have to follow the boards rules when talking to people with such blindingly stupid and unfair ideas.
lol you repeatedly say things that are blatant lies, and straw man arguments, then call people stupid for thinking things that you are pretending they said. This is just sad. 

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HB, why would you say we don't have a working immigration system?  Millions of immigrants come here every single year, in fact, so many come that they create their own towns that have the culture from where they came, which is not what I would recommend, but they are free to do what they want, which is the point of being an american citizen.  

The only way to stop illegal immigration, which, you say is what you want as well, is to stop the benefits and handouts that they receive when they do cross illegally, or stay illegally.  If we stopped doing that, there would be no incentive to come in the first place.  This is where AOC needs to chill.

In addition, the only people crossing illegally are the people willing to risk their lives to do it.   So, if you are so bad off that you are willing to risk your life to get here, chances are you are not going to be a good contributor to society.  Or, if you are, then chances are you are going to be sending most of the money you made back home to your family.....

You don't see Central American, South American or Mexican millionaires trying to cross the southern border illegally.  What you do see is the equivalent of homeless people in the US trying to get into Canada.  If all the homeless people in the nation got together and started a caravan to Canada (with kids they decided to have without being able to support them), do you think they would ease the restrictions up there of becoming a citizen?  Heck no, I can't even visit Canada because I have a DUI in my past.  We also need to put pressure on their governments to make it so people don't want to leave their own countries so badly.   If they come and stay here,  that makes their own Government happy to have them off their plate.


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I can only go by what you say HB. You said,

I have no idea why people on the right argue we can't spend money doing something good because there is some other good thing we could do. The answer is really simple, put taxes at a reasonable level and then do both.
Surely you know we can't do every good? Surely you know that America doesn't have enough money to do all the good there is? Your comments here implies you don't.

Here is what you liberals never address. First, it isn't your money. It isn't "free" money. Someone worked for that money and it belongs to them.

Second, since it is true that the resource is limited, the priority should be on American citizens, not foreigners.

Third, when you are pressed, you start talking about "legal immigrants", but throughout your prior argument, it is obvious you see no immigrants as illegal.

You disrespect the laws of the land, and want to force citizens to pay for illegal foreigners who break the law.

Sometimes I wish Sanders would win just so liberals could see the complete disaster his liberal policies would cause America. Then I realize, as history has shown, liberals would simply weave up some illogical rationalization to explain the failure and remain in their delusion.

Thank god he can't possibly win.
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  If they come and stay here,  that makes their own Government happy to have them off their plate.

it's the equivalent of Castro opening up the Cuban prisons and dumping all of them off the Florida coast. Why would any nation welcome that?
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Surely you know we can't do every good? Surely you know that America doesn't have enough money to do all the good there is? Your comments here implies you don't.
literally no one has ever argues that america does. That is a ridiculous straw man argument. 

Here is what you liberals never address. First, it isn't your money. It isn't "free" money. Someone worked for that money and it belongs to them.
agreed. But that person benefited massively from things like schools, roads, protection by police, the military etc. Taxes are a necessary part of every society to pay for the services we all need. 

Second, since it is true that the resource is limited, the priority should be on American citizens, not foreigners.
ok... but this debate is about bring immigrants into america. They then are Americans, not foreigners. They then pay into the system too and then we can do more good and help more people. 

Third, when you are pressed, you start talking about "legal immigrants", but throughout your prior argument, it is obvious you see no immigrants as illegal.
i understand the concept, the problem is that when the immigration system has been intentionally broken, the line becomes very blurred. Most illegal immigrants would have absolutely done it legally if there was a functioning immigration system they could have used. But there isn't. If you want to reform the immigration system so that these people can actually do it legally, then I would be onboard for stricter rules around doing it illegally. 

You disrespect the laws of the land, and want to force citizens to pay for illegal foreigners who break the law.
no, i want to change the laws of the land so that those "foreigners" can become citizens who will then pay into the system too. 


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Taxes are a necessary part of every society to pay for the services we all need. 
We don't need to buy tacos for Pedro.

but this debate is about bring immigrants into america.
Untrue. This debate is about AOC and her liberal loonies wanting services for illegal aliens.

They then are Americans, not foreigners.
No one becomes American simply by breaking into the country.

They then pay into the system too and then we can do more good and help more people. 
If they are legal and skilled, not when they are illegal and illiterate.

Most illegal immigrants would have absolutely done it legally if there was a functioning immigration system they could have used.
Nonsense. What stopped them? How do you know what they would have done? How difficult is it to present yourself at the border and say, "I wish to immigrate to America."?

If you want to reform the immigration system so that these people can actually do it legally, then I would be onboard for stricter rules around doing it illegally
Listen to what you're saying! You will only be in favor of enforcing current immigration law if we change immigration to let in everyone who wants in to come in! How is that functionally different from open borders?

no, i want to change the laws of the land so that those "foreigners" can become citizens who will then pay into the system too. 
You want to open the borders. You can play around with words, but that is exactly what you want.

First, you put "foreigners" in quotes. Why? They ARE foreigners! You don't think they are.
Second, why do you want more backwards foreigners from backwards cultures to become citizens?
Third, why can't the money spent be spent on people who are already citizens? America owes nothing to every economic migrant who sneaks into the country.

Focus on Americans first. Enforce the laws made by bipartisan legislation. Stop hobbling your country for political gain.
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no, i want to change the laws of the land so that those "foreigners" can become citizens who will then pay into the system too. 
How many foreigners? Enough so that my standard of living decreases, or do you deny that that’s not going to happen?

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How many foreigners?
HB wants every single one that wants in, to be let in.

Enough so that my standard of living decreases, or do you deny that that’s not going to happen?
Liberals believe multiculturalism is a high standard of living, so if your neighborhood is flooded with Rwandan bushmen and Yemeni goat herders, your standard of living went up.

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How many foreigners? Enough so that my standard of living decreases, or do you deny that that’s not going to happen?
how many is that? exactly? I'm guessing you have no idea and are just parrotting things you heard on some conspiracy website.


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Liberals believe multiculturalism is a high standard of living, so if your neighborhood is flooded with Rwandan bushmen and Yemeni goat herders, your standard of living went up.

All cultures are not equal dude. Some cultures are absolute shit.
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Liberals believe multiculturalism is a high standard of living, so if your neighborhood is flooded with Rwandan bushmen and Yemeni goat herders, your standard of living went up.

All cultures are not equal dude. Some cultures are absolute shit.

My God! That is racist!
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how many is that?
Thats the point. It’s a pipe dream that neither you nor I know. And how the hell is that a conspiracy theory when that’s exactly what you believe in lol. Accepting every single immigrant. 
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Thats the point. It’s a pipe dream that neither you nor I know.
exactly, you have no idea when, or even if, there is a point where immigrants coming to america would have a negative affect on your life. You simply want to reject all of them out of fear. 

And how the hell is that a conspiracy theory when that’s exactly what you believe in lol. Accepting every single immigrant. 
and yet more straw man arguments. I have never said America should accept every immigrant. 
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exactly, you have no idea when, or even if, there is a point where immigrants coming to america would have a negative affect on your life. You simply want to reject all of them out of fear. 

Common sense tells me that the more people we accept the more my standard of living decreases because the people aren’t doctors or engineers, they’re illiterate. The point of that statement was that we don’t know. If we run under the concept of “good” then we have to accept as many as we can but that inherently lowers my standard of living. That’s what common sense means.

and yet more straw man arguments. I have never said America should accept every immigrant. 
Than how many? Oh wait that’s a conspiracy theory. No no, your answer is as many as we can which common sense says would lower my standard of living to uplift people who don’t know our culture, our language, nor can benefit our society because they have nothing to begin with.

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Please stop being dishonest. Look at this. You said to pie,....

You simply want to reject all of them out of fear.
Did he ever say he wanted to reject every immigrant? No. But yet you were able to accuse him of it.

Now, let's look at what you said.

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if there was a functioning immigration system then they
(They who? Illegal immigrants)
could simply do it legally without any need for a coyote.(do what?) Then they would be paying taxes like any other citizen.(Become citizens silly!)

Your implication here is that with a "functioning immigration system", THEY would become citizens. Does that sound like you think any of "them" would/should be rejected?

Or again here in post #55
It seems like the logical solution to what you are complaining about is to make them citizens so they can pay the same taxes as everyone else. Problem solved.

Which immigrants are you rejecting HB? Looks like none of them.

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i want to change the laws of the land so that those "foreigners" can become citizens who will then pay into the system too. 
Which "foreigners"? The illegal immigrants who sneak into the country. Tell us, who are you restricting HB? It is clear you want ALL of them brought in.

But you will lie when pressed because, just like Bernie and the DNC, you want to hide your true intent.

You think America has an economic problem of not enough tax payers, and that importing busloads of Afghani primitives will solve the problem. You said so and I can quote where you said so.

Stop lying.
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He’s running on controlled immigration but at the same time the idea that we should be good and let as many people in as we can essentially opening the border which he denies doing. He’s only fooling himself. At the end of the day if someone asks him if he wants to feed and cloth an “immigrant” family for a couple years, he’s gonna say no. You can reject human nature all you want. At the end of the day it will always win. Nature has the power to outlive any individual as it has done since the beginning of time.
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Your implication here is that with a "functioning immigration system", THEY would become citizens. Does that sound like you think any of "them" would/should be rejected?
My implication is that with a functioning system, there would be a legal method they could use. If you remove any chance of a legal method all you are doing is guaranteeing that they will use an illegal one. You are creating criminals. 

Or again here in post #55
It seems like the logical solution to what you are complaining about is to make them citizens so they can pay the same taxes as everyone else. Problem solved.

Which immigrants are you rejecting HB? Looks like none of them.
lol you seem to be incapable of understanding words. I said give them a legal path they could follow, you choose to believe I said "let all of them move here" which is not what i said at all. You see how you constantly straw man me?

i want to change the laws of the land so that those "foreigners" can become citizens who will then pay into the system too. 
Which "foreigners"? The illegal immigrants who sneak into the country. Tell us, who are you restricting HB? It is clear you want ALL of them brought in.
Again, I did not say all of them. So if I don't give you an exact number, i must mean everyone on earth? You aren't even trying to understand what I am saying. 

But you will lie when pressed because, just like Bernie and the DNC, you want to hide your true intent.
you do nothing but lie and use straw man arguments, then deflect by saying the other person is lying to avoid having to come to grips with the insanity of your own argument. 

You think America has an economic problem of not enough tax payers, and that importing busloads of Afghani primitives will solve the problem
well at least you are finally showing your true racist colors. 


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well at least you are finally showing your true racist colors. 

Afghanistan isn't a race.
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well at least you are finally showing your true racist colors. 

Afghanistan isn't a race.
if you want to believe that "Afghani primitive" isn't a racist slur, then you are either delusional, a racist, or just like to be an apologist for racists. 
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if you want to believe that "Afghani primitive" isn't a racist slur, then you are either delusional, a racist, or just like to be an apologist for racists. 

Afghanistan isn't a race. This isn't even an opinion.

If you truly somehow believe some or every nation=race, then all such nations are racist for not including other races.

Pure bullshit. There are no pure races and no pure race nations as well. Even whites have DNA from all over the globe. Skin color denotes nothing. Nations don't have unique DNA within their borders.

Afghanistan isn't a race.

Mexico isn't a race.

China isn't a race.

Hey, guess what Fredo? America isn't a race either. White America is a fantasy nation. So is Brown America. So is Black America. There is not a single place you can live in America where segregation by color shade is de jure or de facto.

Except maybe on some fringe left utopia campuses.
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Afghanistan isn't a race. This isn't even an opinion.
says who? There is no internationally recognized definition of what constitutes a race. It is a cultural term, not a scientific one. It has no set meaning.

Afghanistan isn't a race.

Mexico isn't a race.

China isn't a race.
lol those are countries, not groups of people. 


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There is no internationally recognized definition of what constitutes a race.

Which makes the charge "racist" even more meaningless and arbitrary.
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My implication is that with a functioning system, there would be a legal method they could use.
And then your next sentence says "they" would be citizens. Who was rejected?

If you remove any chance of a legal method all you are doing is guaranteeing that they will use an illegal one. You are creating criminals. 
The stupidity of this kind of liberal thinking cannot be overemphasized. So if a woman removes any chance of a legal method of sex with her, all she is doing is guaranteeing that men will use an illegal one?

No foreigner has any right to immigrate here. Nothing excuses illigality. And it is not the home owners fault for not providing a "legal" way for the burglar to satisfy his desire. You cannot possibly be this stupid.

I said give them a legal path they could follow,...
There is. The US has a functioning immigration service. Many thousands use it every year. The illegals don't want to use it, because they know that with no skills or education, they are likely to be rejected.

you choose to believe I said "let all of them move here" which is not what i said at all.
I go by what you say HB. You seem to believe that the only thing that should qualify an immigrant for entry is that he WANTS to come in.

Hardly any of the economic immigrants now sneaking into the country should be allowed in. Even legally. They are not an asset but a burden on the country.

...well at least you are finally showing your true racist colors. 
And what "race" am I against HB? Beat a liberal in a logical debate, and you magically transform into a bigot, a racist, a homophone, or a misogynist.

...those are countries, not groups of people. 
Then how is saying "Afghani primitives" racist? My accent was on "primitives", but the racist among us, you,  focused on the "racial" part.
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Afghanistan isn't a race. 

The people of any nation are not a unique race anywhere on the planet.