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@oromagi
If the vest-maker makes Ragnar a vest NP1 he is bulletproof.  If the gun-maker makes Ragnar a gun NP1, we have no need of a mechanic...
The mechanic is needed to role-block the saboteur, otherwise both abilities are lost when the gun backfires and the vest is faulty (unless only one is made faulty). This risk of this is minimized by knowing who the mechanic is each day, so if using this system and the shooter dies, we know the mechanic is scum.


and we can instruct Ragnar exactly who he must kill.  If anybody other than specified is killed, Ragnar gets killed.  At the end of Ragnar's NP, he gives gun, vest, and mechanic to a pre-agreed upon player who follows the same process.
This general process could work. My mind oddly goes to killing people being a general disadvantage. As long as no one dies, Mafia doesn't get closer to their goals. Mafia breaking the loop, would out themselves and invite a lynching.
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@Vader
Wait mafia can get those roles too? 
Yes.
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@oromagi
If the vest-maker makes Ragnar a vest NP1 he is bulletproof.  If the gun-maker makes Ragnar a gun NP1, we have no need of a mechanic and we can instruct Ragnar exactly who he must kill.  If anybody other than specified is killed, Ragnar gets killed.  At the end of Ragnar's NP, he gives gun, vest, and mechanic to a pre-agreed upon player who follows the same process.


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This strategy doesn't work in LYLO since Maf will just kill a Townie and that ends the game. Can't revenge lynch them if the game is over.

The only person I advocate outing is the gunsmith, so we can lynch them and prevent mafia from ever having an NK.
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@Barney
I disagree. If we're unlucky (28.6% chance) they have the gunsmith already, which is the only way they can kill the mechanic. If they do kill the mechanic, then they'll pass it back and forth, making lynching our only means of victory as seen with normal games. Knowing this is the case, would be valuable.
You're missing the part where they have to know who the mechanic is to kill them, meaning the mechanic shouldn't out.

Assuming mafia lacks the gunsmith (71.4% chance), a town person shooting randomly has a better chance of hitting scum than a random lynch (33.3%). However, if they shoot a vest (one that is not sabotaged), nothing happens. If they don't know where the mechanic is, they might destroy that ability by accident instead of a scum revealing choice.
It's not important who has it now, it's important who is going to have it tonight.

Case 1 is mafia already has it (28.6%) meaning they will definitely give it to the other mafia tonight (100%) for an overall 28.6% chance they get it tonight.

Case 2 is the town has it (71.4%) in which case there is a 33% chance they give it to a mafia for an overall 23.8% chance they get it tonight.

The sum chances of Mafia getting the gun is greater than 50%.

You are advocating for the mechanic to get killed, essentially.
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Gunsmith

Out so we can kill you.
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Damn.
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VTNL- 2/4 - Ragnar, DuhHamburglar

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Imma go with VTNL
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This may change, but from quick glancing, this is the direction I am safest with right now

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VTNL- 3/4 - Ragnar, DuhHamburglar, supadudz

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@drafterman
Gunsmith

Out so we can kill you.
Given that you want to just kill the gunsmith, you shouldn't care so much about the existence of the mechanic.

Removing NKs from the game wouldn't be the worst strategy. Such could also be done with the gunsmith outed then the chain of possession tracked; and finally passed to someone we pre-decide to lynch.
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I think drafter's arg for killing the gunman is compelling.   I think we have to assume that scum has the gun right now (or else they would have spoken up) and so gun will only be passed between scum until one dies.  
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@Barney
That's just the normal mechanic of lynching with extra steps.
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We have no information roles and everybody can claim VANILLA with reasonable credibility.  We don't really have any levers for catching scum
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@oromagi
Yeah, everyone's spoken about their ideas, so if you guys are fine with it imma just hammer.
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@drafterman
That's just the normal mechanic of lynching with extra steps.
It would mean they don’t volunteer their neck for the chopping block. Which if the current holder is town, would be harmful to town; thus something they wouldn’t do (same outcome if mafia, except they would never out themselves).
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@WaterPhoenix
As Oro said, it’s looking like scum has the gun. Thus, VNTL isn’t the best option anymore.
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VTNL- 2/4 - DuhHamburglar, supadudz

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VTL Water
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It's water.
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VTNL- 2/4 - DuhHamburglar, supadudz
Waterphoenix - 1/4- Drafterman



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ok then
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Not much time, and Drafter has been shown to have good instincts on this.

VTL Water
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Or drafter is scum, and has the gun and is trying to push a mislynch so he gets a confirmed nk by juggling the scum with his scum buddy. 

I would still vtnl and pray we get a proper vest to someone. 




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Juggling the gun*
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@drafterman

It's water.
you sound confident.  Why water?
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VTNL- 2/4 - DuhHamburglar, supadudz
Waterphoenix - 2/4- Drafterman, ragnar

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