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@Lunatic
Lol threatening me with your read is an intimidation tactic and also scummy. Dont play games like that with me they wont work.
Bruh are you just doubling down on the misrepresentation or what. I never threatened you. When I said I wanted to kill you that wasn't a threat, that was a promise.

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@Bullish
Bruh are you just doubling down on the misrepresentation or what. I never threatened you. When I said I wanted to kill you that wasn't a threat, that was a promise.



Stop with that "Bruh", you are clearly panicked that you have been scum read and the fact of the matter is mine is actually behavior based on you, while yours policy. 

Stop with that "I was gonna town read you- Oh wait I always wanted to lynch you" Bull shit. I know how this game goes. And you will double down, because I've called you out and destroyed your case logically, and will continue to do so until I am forced out of the game. I've seen this shit before in office mafia. And if your town, and when you are wrong, and I call you out in the endgame or when I replace as virt, you will turn back around and blame me just like drafter did in the endgame. It's the same story over and over again.
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Self-metaing is not an inherent scum tell. But it becomes a scum tell when you do it continuously and always against your scum-self. For example it's not scummy to say "I do this as town a lot therefore you shouldn't scum read me for it," but it is scummy to say "I DON'T do this as scum therefore you should town read me for it."



you can cross check any of that as true. It's done in lot of games. Greyparrot will say that stuff too "I don't do this as scum" and usually he is town. At most you can argue this is a null tell (which you effectively have), but you trying to argue this as a scum tell is laughable. My job as town is to convince you and others I am town, so god dammit I'm doing it.
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SupaDudz - (3/7) Oro, Lunatic, Greyparrot

Lunatic - (3/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa

Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc

Bullish - (1/7) Lunatic

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This why I require an unvote rule, pretty sure this is at least the 3rd vote count where you have someone's vote on 2 people. This would be alleviated if an "unvote" reminded the mod to remove the previous vote.
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IMPORTANT: Do y'all's roles count as visits?
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@Bullish
Another contrived claim you pulled out of your butthole of desire to scum read me. You failed to quote anything right here in your post https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3648/post_links/157931 
This post wasn't even addressed to me. I responded because you are talking about me, and mentioned the relevant parts. Also I was on my phone and said right after I would be doing line by line as soon as I got to the PC, and I sure did.

And in fact in that very post you misrepresent me AGAIN by saying I'm trying "to sell a double mislynch" when I have never claimed DD's scumminess is contingent on your affiliation.
But I am now seriously considering that this IS a scum gambit where BOTH Lunatic and DD are claiming miller, because they thought they could get away with the mutliple miller theory.

Check yo self.

 Water was the only one this whole game to suggest there's lynching DD if you flip inno and you're trying to pin it on me with the convenient lack of quoting.
The ENTIRE PREMISE OF YOUR ARGUMENT means that if I am town DD is scum. You keep doubling down that this is policy based right? Because of both the miller and the CC? So when I flip town and miller, by your own policy lynch requirements, that means DD is scum by your own argument. If you don't try to lynch DD, then you have proven that this entire endeavor was absolutely fucking pointless (if town) or designed for a mislynch (if scum). You can't argue that your own logic doesn't implicate DD if I'm town.

Here you go again thinking you're the only subject of the whole game
For you, apparently I am. You don't seem very interested in lynching elsewhere and my name is constantly being dropped out of your mouth.

 Firstly, your behaviour isn't the only behaviour being generated, other players exist in the game and their behaviour regarding my vote on you also matters 
Yeah? And how's that piece of contrived logic going for you? I don't see you trying to act this out with anyone else. 

Secondly, your behaviour will be important even if you die because we can get associative tells once you flip. This is basic mafia shit and the fact you, a 10 year mafia vet, made me waste my breath explaining it to you is making me mad.
Oh so bus gambits aren't a thing anymore when they apply to your own reads? I actually agree with you about the associative reads thing which is one of the reasons I am okay with dying, but you already painted the picture that this is some bus gambit between me and DD, so I don't think even you are ready to look into these associative tells homie. Oh and stop using the vet thing. Grey parrot is a 10 year vet too, and I still don't see eye to eye with him like ever. We all view the world through a different lens. Clearly. Do you expect us to all agree on every point because we've played games with each other a lot in the past? Also you wanna talk about getting mad at ten year vet shit? Look at this in my shoes. I got mother fvckers acting like they've never seen mods put more than one role in a game before and lazily trying to push a lynch on me without behavioral evidence all fucking day,

A simple look at this thread will tell you that a swath of behaviour has been generated based on SOP votes on you. I most likely have the 2nd highest quantity of posts in this thread after yourself, yet I'm pretty sure you've called me lazy at latest 4 times now which is total bullshit. At least DD thinks I'm playing anti-town instead of just lazy.
I've definitely called your behavior and play anti-town. It started with lazy, and it turned into you hard core defending yourself, this is a different situation now then just calling a policy lol. You wouldn't feel the need to respond to me otherwise. I'm switching the target back onto you, and you don't like the pressure.
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@Bullish
 Intent to kill =/= ignoring behaviour.
Dis-agree, and this is not RVS either. RVS lacks intent to kill. If you RVS with intent to kill you are doing it wrong. Behavior should back intent to kill.

here you are again claiming I'm being lazy, a simple look at this thread will tell you that's a blatant lie. There's a point where I stop responding to people because they keep peddling complete total obvious lies and even to go as far as to spin them into character attacks like you have done continually regarding my behaviour this DP.
You weren't left to be content with "lazy" because I called you out on it and scum read you for it lol. Being a prolific poster this phase in response to only me, doesn't erase the original lazy and hopefully easy lynching intentions.

And how the fuck am I suppose to know it's a mislynch if I'm town? SOP lynches have been enshrined as SOP because it's pro town to follow SOP in the absence of other info. Now 2 people other than myself have scum based you based on behaviour how can you still claim this wagon is an easy mislynched based on SOP alone?
You know it's a mislynch cuz your scum lol. lol and no two other people aren't reading me on behavior. Everyone on my wagon has stated they are on it because of non behavioral related things. Back up your statement pl0x.

If you've counted that against you, you've clearly accepted that the player base views the events of the game as correct SOP justification to vote you. Why then do you continue to attack players for voting you based on SOP? We've gotten bigger wagons on players in past games for worse reasons. In that game where you were scum with Water he got to L-1 within like 12 hours, even he reacted better than you.

Read my reaction in that game to being lynched, did I put this much of an effort into it? And I am going to stop you ahead of your self on the "your self metaing" this is your own argument and your own example. I get this passionate when I am town and on the lynching table, and I am playing exactly the same way that I did in the office mafia when I got tunneled for 4 day phases straight as town. If I have to die that's fine. I didn't want to get into that, and haven't otherwise I would be doing this with supa and singularity right now. But I know this player base won't respond to reasoning, where you actually have been responding. If you are gonna ask, I'm gonna tell. 99% of the time I am ignored because of lazy players and it's extremely frustrating, which is why I wanted to just get lynched off the bat and ignore the whole thing later when I can't placate you guys. This phase is all or nothing for me. Either I'm getting lynched and using this those on my wagon as a read for easy mislynch oppertunities cuz scum know god damn well whats going on here, or I am surviving this phase and we aren't having this argument in every phase after with every player who won't listen to reason because "tHeReS 2 MiLlErS" nonsense.

How were you going to dishout scum by voting yourself? You said you voted yourself to end discussion on the miller thing. You wanted to end discussion and the DP, in what universe is that "trying to dish out scum?" That was the my first point against you in #223 which you misreprsented in #225 but still haven't addressed. 
I've stated multiple times that using my mis-lynch wagon would be telling.
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Lunatic - (3/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa

Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc

SupaDudz - (2/7) Oro, Greyparrot

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@Lunatic
Who are you voting, Bullieh or Supa?

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@Bullish
I apologize, I have 3 tests tomorrow so I’m all over the place
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Lunatic - (3/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa

Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc

SupaDudz - (2/7) Oro, Greyparrot

Bullish - (1/7) Lunatic

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@Lunatic
you can cross check any of that as true. It's done in lot of games. Greyparrot will say that stuff too "I don't do this as scum" and usually he is town
Literally last game grey did that shit and was scum.

but you trying to argue this as a scum tell is laughable
1. continually referencing your scum meta shows you're in a scum mindset
2. continually referencing your scum meta shows you keep doing scummy shit and instead of finding a town game where you did it, you have to find a scum game where you didn't, which is based on less water tight logic
3. if you bring it up yourself it's always WIFOM which shows you have no better argument against why other players scum read you
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UNVOTE

VTL Singularity

bullish and lunatic are both pretty town from a behavorial standpoint, the main issue is the policy miller lynch. But singularity has played sus af, and has been super inconsistent with a bunch of anti-town plays. We're getting short on time everyone. Vote singularity ahora por favor.

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@Bullish
Literally last game grey did that shit and was scum.
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Here's a town one where he did it. Again at most this is a null read lol.

1. continually referencing your scum meta shows you're in a scum mindset
Or a town mindset trying to prove his innocence by appealing to a persons better reasonings.


2. continually referencing your scum meta shows you keep doing scummy shit and instead of finding a town game where you did it, you have to find a scum game where you didn't, which is based on less water tight logic
It's showing I act differently when under the presence of a different situation, which is like literally the way you yourself base most of your reads on. You almost always read people based on how you remember them acting in another game, you did it with drafter when you decided to town read him because of some trivial bullshit like having had a long argument with him in some ancient game.

3. if you bring it up yourself it's always WIFOM which shows you have no better argument against why other players scum read you
It's literally arguing wifom with wifom. Again, if you decide not to take it with a grain of salt its at most a null read lol
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@WaterPhoenix
My problem with singularity is he has a pretty airtight character claim, especially in light of speed and grey's claim. Bullish on the other hand has no claim, and is against pablo (and by extension everyone of his sicarios which make up most of the current claims). Javier Pena is anti pablo but is also a miller claim, which leads us to believe gringos are scum, and bullish's anti pablo claim pretty much leaves him the option of being carrillo or murphy, and if he's murphy he is gringo thus potentially scum. Behaviorally he is hella scum. I think we need to focus more on bullish.
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Reads:
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Drafterman: Lean town- Has been fairly active and has made pretty town plays.
Lunatic: Kinda lean town- This whole miller thing is really confusing, most people seem to think 2 millers is possible but not super likely, but his behavior so far has been town.
Speed: Lean town- No significant plays that I can recall. But has been fairly active without any scum slips.
DD: Null- He thinks that there can be two millers, has been sorta active, but hasn't made any big plays.
Supa: Null- His claim seems solid and his play is ok I guess. But his voting is willy-nilly and his jumping onto the Lunatic bandwagon was sus af.
Zaradi: Null- Kinda inactive so yeah
Greyparrot: Null- Read my first page analysis of how his claim and google translate suggests he's town, but other than that, he's been pretty inactive and hasn't really done much. Plus, his voting is flippity-floppity.
Virtuoso: (another) Null- Inactive
WaterPhoenix: Hard town read- I don't know, he just seems to be the most town guy here.
Bullish: Kinda sorta lean scum- I don't really believe in the whole policy lynching thing, but he's been playing pretty town, with no scum slips.
Oromagi: Lean town- Has been playing very pro-town.
Singularity: Lean scum- Jumped onto the lunatic bandwagon in their first few posts, and the whole vote flipping stuff is also really sus. And the disc "hidden premise" bs seems like scum trying to push a lynch. Or, they might just be stupid. (Now I'm not supposed to state my opinion, but I'd say it's the latter)

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@Lunatic
lol, what was singularity's claim again?
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WaterPhoenix: Hard town read- I don't know, he just seems to be the most town guy here.
Why aren't you claiming character?

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No miller spelled backwards
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@WaterPhoenix
He is Limon, pablos green sicario who sticks with him to the end after all other sicarios are captured and killed. Most of the claims right now are pablo and his sicarios
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@Speedrace
Ask the mod if a message is a visit.
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@Lunatic
hmmmmmmmmmm, i don't know. Singularity is so sus right now, it's not even funny. But I don't know how many people are willing to lynch bullish. I'll vote bullish, but only to hammer. For now I implore you all to come and vote singularity.
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@Speedrace
Yes I literally hide beside someone
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male or female?
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male or female?
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@Lunatic

Here's a town one where he did it. Again at most this is a null read lol.
That was a joke so it doesn't count. It was 10 posts into the DP, he was obviously not lurking, he wasn't self-metaing to absolve himself of any action.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3614/post_links/155819 this post is much more in vein of what I'm talking about.

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Lunatic - (3/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa

Virtuoso - (2/7) Drafter, Disc

SupaDudz - (2/7) Oro, Greyparrot

Bullish - (1/7) Lunatic

Singularity - (1/7) Water

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