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@Lunatic
Sure. My character is Pacho Herrera
Narcos Mafia DP1
Posts
Total:
544
Another call cartel. Still thinking its gringos
Please advise of any corrections, additions
11. Oromagi Gilberto Rodriguez
TOWN
4. DD Javier Pena MILLER [CC second]
3. Speed Pablo Escobar
12. Singularity El Limon (FUCKS PEOPLE UP)
8. Virtuoso Pacho Herrera
9. WaterPhoenix (male)
6. Zaradi
1. Drafterman
7. Greyparrot Poison MAILMAN
2. Lunatic Maria Salazar MILLER [CC first]
10. Bullish (anti-Escobar)
5. Supa La Quica HIDER
SCUM
CALI (season 3)
Gilberto Rodriguez
Maria Salazar
Pacho Herrera
NORTE de VALLE (season 3)
Maria Salazar
MEDELLIN (Season 1 & 2)
Pablo Escobar
El Limon
Poison
La Quica
DEA (all)
Javier Pena
UVC
Lunatic - (4/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa, Greyparrot
SupaDudz - (3/7) Zaradi, Oro, Lunatic
Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc
I am the only DEA guy. Might be why I am miller.
Filthy Gringo scum theory might be right in which case the mafiosos would be able to figure it out really quick.
Maria Salazar is starting to look like an out of pocket claim, as Supa pointed out
Just common enough to convince people who don't know the show, just uncommon enough to prevent CC.
I think I'd encourage more character claiming before we lynch.
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@oromagi
Maria Salazar is starting to look like an out of pocket claim, as Supa pointed out
As mafia, with knowledge of the show I could claim almost anything and completely play the town around my finger. Yet I went with some random season 3 character I've never seen or heard of? Why would I do this lol
Ok, well Luna seems sincere about rooting out scum, so
VTL SUPA
As mafia, with knowledge of the show I could claim almost anything and completely play the town around my finger.
You have described my primary concern well.
Yet I went with some random season 3 character I've never seen or heard of.
Yes. Just common enough to convince people who don't know the show, just uncommon enough to prevent CC.
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@Singularity
Do you think AI can be programmed to win at Mafia?
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@oromagi
So I choose someone that I have never heard of on my first post in the game and just hope to god that the character isn't taken... Out of character for me man.You have described my primary concern well.
Yes. Just common enough to convince people who don't know the show, just uncommon enough to prevent CC.
So you do or do not have knowledge about the show? Your knowledge of her commonality goes deeper than mine does, you tell me. So what does out of pocket mean if she is all of a sudden just common enough to convince someone she is in the game?
The extent of what your saying is: Millers fit a certain stereotype. and my claim is suspicious because it fits that stereotype perfectly. Awesome. lol
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@Lunatic
> @oromagiYou have described my primary concern well.So I choose someone that I have never heard of on my first post in the game and just hope to god that the character isn't taken... Out of character for me man.
Are you arguing this because you hope I will take your word for it? Are you offering me your expertise regarding your meta? why?
Yes. Just common enough to convince people who don't know the show, just uncommon enough to prevent CC.So you do or do not have knowledge about the show? Your knowledge of her commonality goes deeper than mine does, you tell me. So what does out of pocket mean if she is all of a sudden just common enough to convince someone she is in the game?The extent of what your saying is: Millers fit a certain stereotype. and my claim is suspicious because it fits that stereotype perfectly. Awesome. lol
Out of pocket=only woman, only character who switches cartels, only NORTE de VALLE.
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@oromagi
Are you arguing this because you hope I will take your word for it? Are you offering me your expertise regarding your meta? why?
Yes. You were quick to dismiss my "wifom" early but sont mind using it when it inplicates my guilt. :(
I'm town and trying to appeal to your better reasoning.
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@Lunatic
I'm town and trying to appeal to your better reasoning.
ahwww.
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@oromagi
If you think I am scum lynch me. But it's not like this was something you thought was an issue earlier so I guess now is desperation time.
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@Lunatic
If you think I am scum lynch me. But it's not like this was something you thought was an issue earlier so I guess now is desperation time.
Did you notice the way Greyparrot switched off you as soon as I increased my suspicion?
I'm considering compromise lynches, it's getting late in the DP. You iz my #2.
Please advise of any corrections, additions
11. Oromagi Gilberto Rodriguez
TOWN
3. Speed Pablo Escobar
4. DD Javier Pena MILLER [CC second]
12. Singularity El Limon (FUCKS PEOPLE UP)
8. Virtuoso Pacho Herrera
9. WaterPhoenix (male)
6. Zaradi
7. Greyparrot Poison MAILMAN
1. Drafterman
10. Bullish (anti-Escobar)
2. Lunatic Maria Salazar MILLER [CC first]
5. Supa La Quica HIDER
SCUM
CALI (season 3)
Gilberto Rodriguez
Maria Salazar
Pacho Herrera
MEDELLIN (Season 1 & 2)
Pablo Escobar
El Limon
Poison
La Quica
DEA (all)
Javier Pena
UVC
Lunatic - (4/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa,
SupaDudz - (3/7) Zaradi, Oro, Lunatic, Greyparrot
Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc
Vote Count
SupaDudz - (4/7) Zaradi, Oro, Lunatic, Greyparrot
Lunatic - (3/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa
Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc
Bullish - (1/7) Lunatic
Lmk if I have something wrong
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@oromagi
Did you notice the way Greyparrot switched off you as soon as I increased my suspicion?I'm considering compromise lynches, it's getting late in the DP. You iz my #2.
I doubt it would take much to influence him back lol. Whatever ends the day phases and thus the game quicker seems to be his goal.
This is literally the dumbest reason for a lynch lol
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@Lunatic
I'll preface this with saying I hate how you keep refusing to use the quote system at times to suit your needs, and its one of DART and DDO's best features. I notice people start doing this when they feel they are losing an argument
Another contrived claim you pulled out of your butthole of desire to scum read me. You failed to quote anything right here in your post https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3648/post_links/157931 And in fact in that very post you misrepresent me AGAIN by saying I'm trying "to sell a double mislynch" when I have never claimed DD's scumminess is contingent on your affiliation. Water was the only one this whole game to suggest there's lynching DD if you flip inno and you're trying to pin it on me with the convenient lack of quoting.
So if your intention is to outright kill me, so why does my behavior matter if it is your goal that my death is met either way?
Here you go again thinking you're the only subject of the whole game. Firstly, your behaviour isn't the only behaviour being generated, other players exist in the game and their behaviour regarding my vote on you also matters. Secondly, your behaviour will be important even if you die because we can get associative tells once you flip. This is basic mafia shit and the fact you, a 10 year mafia vet, made me waste my breath explaining it to you is making me mad.
No it's definitely not that simple. If you would have kept this at your first post, I would buy that. But the fact that your repeatedly defending the idea that there is more logic to this than following lazy policies is where you continuously contradict yourself.
A simple look at this thread will tell you that a swath of behaviour has been generated based on SOP votes on you. I most likely have the 2nd highest quantity of posts in this thread after yourself, yet I'm pretty sure you've called me lazy at latest 4 times now which is total bullshit. At least DD thinks I'm playing anti-town instead of just lazy.
I am simply stating it is not in YOUR intention to look at today's lynch behaviorally
I've already explained it to you and others over multiple games, behaviour is best generated by votes backed by the intent to KILL. Intent to kill =/= ignoring behaviour. double SOP was a very good reason to vote you. And in fact if you look at my past games I have literally pulled player names out of my ass and asked town to lynch them immediately for instawin, then back off once behaviour becomes available, and quite often that behaviour WAS GENERATED BY MY ACTIONS. Yes I have a good memory of mafia games as you yourself admit in #228, and if you look back on past games being wishy-washy is the best way for town to end DP1 with nothing to work with.
You on there otherhand are going out of your way to pretend like there is more to this while also doubling down on this being a lazy easy policy thing
here you are again claiming I'm being lazy, a simple look at this thread will tell you that's a blatant lie. There's a point where I stop responding to people because they keep peddling complete total obvious lies and even to go as far as to spin them into character attacks like you have done continually regarding my behaviour this DP.
you are pursuing what you believe to be an easy to sell mis-lynch. And at it's core, you are right.
And how the fuck am I suppose to know it's a mislynch if I'm town? SOP lynches have been enshrined as SOP because it's pro town to follow SOP in the absence of other info. Now 2 people other than myself have scum based you based on behaviour how can you still claim this wagon is an easy mislynched based on SOP alone?
I have counted them against me, and it's the reason I am okay with dying this phase. If I am going to die innocent though I am going to try and dish out scum along with me
If you've counted that against you, you've clearly accepted that the player base views the events of the game as correct SOP justification to vote you. Why then do you continue to attack players for voting you based on SOP? We've gotten bigger wagons on players in past games for worse reasons. In that game where you were scum with Water he got to L-1 within like 12 hours, even he reacted better than you.
How were you going to dishout scum by voting yourself? You said you voted yourself to end discussion on the miller thing. You wanted to end discussion and the DP, in what universe is that "trying to dish out scum?" That was the my first point against you in #223 which you misreprsented in #225 but still haven't addressed. By voting yourself you necessarily do not believe that the miller discussion could have been a flashpoint for behaviour, which as the DP has shown, is clearly false.
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@Lunatic
As a side note bullish, man to man, if you really are town (dismiss as WIFOM if you want, I don't care) check my behavior with supas south park game. Did I fight you or anyone this hard about getting mislynched in that game? I was pretty damn lazy and over-confident as scum in that game, and was inactive for large blurts of it.
You've self-meta'd 3 times this DP and it isn't helping you.
Another reason I have been having a hard time buying you as town is because I don't see you being objective about this as you were in that game (you backed off drafter after hardcore tunneling him initially)
Check that game again, I didn't back off drafter until DP3.
or that you could care less at the mislynch consequence of being wrong
People care too much about mislynches. Like I've said before the best players get scum read accuracy in the range of 40%. DD's is 46% I think he has mentioned. That's the nature of the game and I never get caught up on mislynches.
3 instances Lunatic has self-meta'd against his scum meta:
Btw, fake claiming as miller is pretty damn far from my scum meta
check my behavior with supas south park game. Did I fight you or anyone this hard about getting mislynched in that game?
As mafia, with knowledge of the show I could claim almost anything and completely play the town around my finger. Yet I went with some random season 3 character I've never seen or heard of? Why would I do this lol
Self-metaing is not an inherent scum tell. But it becomes a scum tell when you do it continuously and always against your scum-self. For example it's not scummy to say "I do this as town a lot therefore you shouldn't scum read me for it," but it is scummy to say "I DON'T do this as scum therefore you should town read me for it."
Mr tunnel vision bull dozing back in. Lets do this son
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@ILikePie5
I unvoted from supa
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@Lunatic
bruh I was literally going to town read you about half way through the DP until you started misrepresenting me left and right in an attempt to scum read me.
Vote Count
SupaDudz - (3/7) Oro, Lunatic, Greyparrot
Lunatic - (3/7) Bullish, Singularity, Supa
Virtuoso - (3/7) Water, Drafter, Disc
Bullish - (1/7) Lunatic
Lmk if I have something wrong
A little less than 19 hours remain.
So I think at this point we can safely say that this Bullish vs. Luna debacle is certainly not a scum/scum shitfest. I'm about 55/45 on it being town/scum versus town/town
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@Bullish
Are you me? Am I you? Is this reality?
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@Bullish
Lol threatening me with your read is an intimidation tactic and also scummy. Dont play games like that with me they wont work.