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@Greyparrot
united american socialist republics.
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@WaterPhoenix
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United American Socialist Syndicate
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@ILikePie5
No, it’s because a third of Americans are moderate, which are unlikely to support radical, socialist policies. These moderate Americans helped Democrats win back the House, not Progressives who as I mentioned were pretty much slaughtered.
The idea of the "moderate" voter is a bit of a myth the political pundits like to throw around. If you ask someone if they are on the left, odds are they will say no. If you ask them if they support specific left wing policy ideas, alot of the them will say yes.
I specifically said base - voters that will stick with him no matter what. These people are disproportionately young voters. Bernie trounced Hillary in that category, and his share is practically the same but a bit less because there are more candidates out there.
his base is everyone who supports him, not just the "bernie bros" the media would like you to believe are his core constituents. If you look at his political donations the top professions donating to him are retirees, teachers, and healthcare workers.
Here’s proof that working class voters support Biden, in November it was 2:1 ratio. Now I believe it’s tied. Either way, they’re not a part of the base which means people that would support their candidate no matter what. Think of the evangelicals and Trump.
what? You acknowledge that Sanders has just as much support as Biden among the working class, but insist they don't count as his base? That doesn't make sense.
He’s losing by an average of 7 percent in aggregate polling in my home state of Texas.
most of that polling is months out of date.
The conclusion: he’s not winning one state in the South because of the traditional African American voters supporting Biden
have you not been noticing his massive surge the last few weeks? Most of that is from minority communities, and in large part black people.
Again, what’s the difference between a poor hungry person coming from Latin America and a poor hungry person in Africa. Using your logic we have an obligation to help both and not just one.
yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If you see a child starving to death on your front door, you have an obligation to help them. If you hear there are starving children halfway around the world then the level of responsibility is different.
Let me be selfish, you’re more than welcome to donate all your money. No one is stopping you.
this is kind of my point as to why it can't be based on charity. Because lots of people will refuse to help and the resources will not be stable enough to deal with the issue. That's why it has to be a government program.
You and your family have to give up half of everything you have to an illegal immigrant family. Would you do it? Yes or No. If yes, great! Go bring an illegal immigrant family in your house and do it. If not, you’re selfish and immoral.
I have never claimed we should give illegal immigrants half of our resources. That is a straw man argument. But I would gladly pay slightly higher taxes to help them.
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@HistoryBuff
You and I clearly have different definitions of a base. To me a base is demographic where a vast majority of the people will vote for only one candidate. If there’s a division in the demographic they clearly aren’t solely dedicated to one group. Agree to disagree I guess.
most of that polling is months out of date.
lmao show me one poll in which Bernie wins any Southern state. Betting odds show he’s going to lose. New polls from my state just now show he’s going to lose to Biden by double digits. Southerners hate Bernie, it’s pretty simple. His support among minorities comes only from young people. The older generation of African Americans overwhelmingly support Biden.
have you not been noticing his massive surge the last few weeks? Most of that is from minority communities, and in large part black people.
The surge is only evident in majority white Democratic primaries like Iowa and New Hampshire. The South is practically locked in for Joe Biden including South Carolina which is a majority Black Primary.
yes, that is exactly what I am saying. If you see a child starving to death on your front door, you have an obligation to help them. If you hear there are starving children halfway around the world then the level of responsibility is different.
That’s inherently immoral. Using the standard that we should help people just based on their proximity to us is blasphemous lol.
this is kind of my point as to why it can't be based on charity. Because lots of people will refuse to help and the resources will not be stable enough to deal with the issue. That's why it has to be a government program.
If 50% of the population supports it, that’s more than enough resources lol. I’m not helping someone who illegally comes here after my parents spent years working to get here and then years to get citizenship. They can do it the right way. Until then they don’t deserve a cent from me.
I have never claimed we should give illegal immigrants half of our resources. That is a straw man argument. But I would gladly pay slightly higher taxes to help them.
That’s on you lol. If you want to donate a little more, go right ahead. Why are you forcing me to do it too? You don’t need to raise taxes to help people. You can do it right now donating to the organizations. If every Democrats does that, there’ll be more than enough money don’t you think?
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@ILikePie5
That’s on you lol. If you want to donate a little more, go right ahead. Why are you forcing me to do it too? You don’t need to raise taxes to help people. You can do it right now donating to the organizations. If every Democrats does that, there’ll be more than enough money don’t you think?
If Democrats can give millions to Avanatti through gofundme, they can support the other criminals too.
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@HistoryBuff
borders delineate where one nation state ends and another begins. Most rational people understand that they are not intended to be closed borders where no one comes in or goes out.
We're not stopping people from going out or stopping people from coming in. We're stopping illegal immigrants from coming in.
The current system, for many reasons, makes it easier for white kids to go to college. A system where literally everyone has the ability to go to college would fix that gap. That's not "affirmative action" it is providing a service to everyone.
Nope, it's gonna create "equity" with black and "repressed" minorities getting their test scores boosted.
so you see the plan that says it is for everyone and your response is "sure lol"? Do you have any reason to doubt that this is the case?
But it's not it treats illegal immigrants better.
if you think feeding people is marxism, you obviously have no idea what marxism is.
Keep twisting words see what good that'll do you. People are literally getting raised by the government, not working at all.
First of all it's vox lmfao, I don't think I can name a more leftist mainstream news site. And secondly, this study just shows black people get in trouble more not that they're punished anymore severely. Reading vox literally makes me lose braincells.
did you actually look at the information? It was about whether the government would charge people to access those services, not about creating those services.
oml, did you?
https://www.benefits.gov/benefit/613 provide families with financial assistance and related support services.
Do you know what financial assistance is?
https://www.ssa.gov/benefits/ssi/ program pays benefits
benefits aight?
Pass a permanent repeal of the public charge statute, so we do not penalize immigrants who at some point may need to access support programs such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI).
It's for illegal immigrantssssssssssssssssssssss
ok, so we are expanding the workforce, increasing the education and skills of the workforce. What about that is a bad thing?
They're not the workforce, they're literally illegal immigrants and we're giving them free stuff. And you talk like all of them want to work, they can get raised by the government why would they need to work.
And this is just 1 part of his platform. The vast majority of it is about how he will make your life better.
Wanna debate about that?
You are focusing on one part where he will make other peoples lives better too and I can't figure out why that offends you.
THEY'RE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, you're making it sound like I hate them, I don't. I just don't want to have my tax dollars spent on illegal immigrants
You (I am guessing) support a party that loves to screw over the working class and funnel money to the rich.
lol, the two things liberals say "we need more equity" and "more rich tax". And I don't think you understand how capitalism works.
And you claim that liberals don't understand what is going on?
The logical progression of that hurt me.
Also btw, sorry took so long to respond I kinda forgot about this whole thing.
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@WaterPhoenix
We're not stopping people from going out or stopping people from coming in. We're stopping illegal immigrants from coming in.
I know. And literally no one is advocating for changing that.
Nope, it's gonna create "equity" with black and "repressed" minorities getting their test scores boosted.
ok, so you read "school for everyone" and decided that means "only school for black people because we will rig the system". How the hell did you make that leap?
But it's not it treats illegal immigrants better.
how? They don't get most of the rights that citizens get. They will get some of the rights that citizens get. That is, by definition, not being treated better than a citizen.
Keep twisting words see what good that'll do you. People are literally getting raised by the government, not working at all.
And you think that is Marxism? Again, you are showing you don't know what that word means.
And secondly, this study just shows black people get in trouble more not that they're punished anymore severely.
lol you ask for a study, I provide an article where a study was discussed and you immediately dismiss the study and don't even seem to have looked at it. If you don't want to read the articles I provide, please stop asking for them.
Pass a permanent repeal of the public charge statute, so we do not penalize immigrants who at some point may need to access support programs such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or Supplemental Security Income (SSI).It's for illegal immigrantssssssssssssssssssssss
Stop and read that again. What they are saying is that they want to change the system to not penalize immigrants who need to access those programs. They are not adding new programs. Those progreams already exist.
ok, so we are expanding the workforce, increasing the education and skills of the workforce. What about that is a bad thing?They're not the workforce, they're literally illegal immigrants and we're giving them free stuff. And you talk like all of them want to work, they can get raised by the government why would they need to work.
They come to america because they want the american dream. That means getting a job and putting their kids through college. You talk about immigrants as if they are lazy sub-humans when they are the backbone of the american economy. You are descended from immigrants. Are you and your family lazy immigrant who just wants free stuff?
THEY'RE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, you're making it sound like I hate them, I don't. I just don't want to have my tax dollars spent on illegal immigrants
You would rather them die than lift a finger to help. You would rather them live in squalor and their children never get any education so that they are unable to get jobs or participate in society. If illegal immigrants have no path to joining the economy and doing well on their own, then they will stay as the burden you seem to think they are. If they have a path to jobs, wealth and security then they will work for it and america will be all the richer.
lol, the two things liberals say "we need more equity" and "more rich tax". And I don't think you understand how capitalism works.
The tax rate on the rich has been falling for decades. income inequality has been massive rising for decades. Basically, the rich are sqeezing all the money out of the middle class so they become even richer while everyone else gets poorer. This imbalance is unsustainable and hurts the economy. It would appear that it is you who does not understand capitalism. Without progressive taxation and social programs to protect the working class, capitalism creates oligarchy.
This lol. The slopes of both the middle class and rich are positive. “Income inequality” comes from the gap due to the steepness since if I’m rich I can afford to take more risks and gain a larger reward. Middle class people can’t. Truth of the matter is that neither you nor any government official can “tax” the rich and expect it will help the middle class. When taxes rise for the rich, they spend less. Less fiscal stimulation, I’m sure you know the rest. Basic economics really.rich are sqeezing all the money out of the middle class so they become even richer while everyone else gets poorer.
You would rather them die than lift a finger to help. You would rather them live in squalor and their children never get any education so that they are unable to get jobs or participate in society. If illegal immigrants have no path to joining the economy and doing well on their own, then they will stay as the burden you seem to think they are. If they have a path to jobs, wealth and security then they will work for it and america will be all the richer.
This is laughable. Per this logic when everyone from the rest of the world shows up on our doorstep, we should accept them otherwise we are horrible human beings. If you think anyone in their right mind would select the other in a me or you situation, then they either don’t want to live or live in La La Land.