Trump's middle east "peace" plan

There were massive protests about soleimani's murder. Did you not see those?

Are they though? If you call a country a democracy, but it is a dictatorship, should we accept that it's a democracy?

If they don't have free democratic elections, then you aren't a democracy.

If you don't actually follow the teachings of jesus, then you aren't actually a christian. You can call yourself that all you want, but if you think poor people deserve to die, then you definitely aren't a christian. 

again, so what? The thief says that they aren't stealing. the rest of society agrees that it is. Israel says they haven't stolen the land, most of the rest of the world agrees that they did. Who cares if what Israel calls it?

Military contractor companies love conflict. But to society and the american people, little to nothing. 

some people reap tons of benefits. The companies that make the weapons the US gives to Israel make a killing. Lobbyists spend a fortune wining and dining politicians. Politicians get a big "friend of Israel" badge they can use to campaign with. But the american people get stuck funding death and destruction. Some of them end up dying in the inevitable backlash against america. 

Depends on the definition and what people identify as. People identify as Christian and by definition they would be.  

Nothing is free so there is no chance ever for a "true" democracy.

You can say the right allows poor people to die but that is not how they see it. They blame the other-side or policies.

Most of the world does not count. It is between Israel and Palestine or maybe I forgot how when someone is put to trial it is up to a public vote if they are sentenced for the crime or not?

You are literally arguing for mob rule which is not how any of the developed countries sentence someone. There is a person representing the law not the entirety of the population voting on it. 

You jsut can't help yourself but espouse the negatives of conflict when I asked for the positives. Another chance of getting more than one positive without saying negative or is that too much to ask from feelings driven person like yourself?

Okay so money. You said free trade as a positive for if they do decide to go towards your peace route but there are problems with this. Why would Palestine work with the US?

Why would the US population fund money to Palestine to build their country and why would the government wait more than 4 years for this to happen when the president really only cares about his cycle not afterwards? 

I would argue they are not in fact a christian. 

how does things being free have anything to do with democracy?

But that is a cop out. They actively choose to allow people to die then try to pin the blame on others.

lol that is exactly how a trial works. It is called a jury of your peers. 

I'm arguing that a country should not be allowed to steal land. The entire world sees them stealing the land and calls it what it is. 

lol I answered your question. Conflict usually has far greater downsides than upsides. Recognizing that is not "feelings driven".

trade benefits both sides. If the US treated the palestinians like actual people instead of backing Israel at every opportunity, why would they not want to work with the US?

Who is waiting 4 years for what?

You can argue all you want but if you can't persuade the other-side then they are still what they identify as.

You said "free democratic elections" what do you mean?

You can argue that but until you can persuade them they are not going to say they are allowing people to die.

A public vote is when everyone has a chance to vote on the situation. Last I heard no trial has ever had everyone had a chance of casting their view.

Stealing has to be decided in court. It just so happens Israel and Palestine I don't think will agree to some sort of cross-country trials and this can't be settled.

Now if you are not making a claim about law then say it then I will say what is the point of bringing up this information when the two sides do not agree on what you are saying?

It is evident that you are feelings driven because you can't stay on topic ever instead choose to nudge in your feelings. You are not recognizing this is a projection of your anti-intellectualism.

It just so happens Trump can use God or US against the world rhetoric to agitate the Palestinian or tariff them on some kind of intelligence.

How would you get a really long deal to span across many presidencies that aims to invest into Palestine then work with them later on? 

you misunderstand. I don't care what they identify as. they can believe they are a martian for all I care. If they do not meet the requirements to be the thing they claim they are, then they are not that thing. 

sorry, in the context of your sentence I had thought you were referring to free as in the cost of an item. 

You aren't going to be able to get through to delusional people

We can work on convincing the majority of americans that this is what the republicans are about so that they don't manage to succeed

1) no election has a "public vote" every vote is private.

2) that is exactly what a jury is. They are a representation of society, IE a jury of your peers. They then vote on whether or not you are guilty. 

between 2 individuals, sure. Between nations there is no court for that. We do have bodies such as the UN that could very easily pass resolutions on the matter if the US didn't always block them. 

again, with the UN, sanctions etc we don't need Israel to agree they are stealing. Everyone else sees they are stealing and want it to stop. We can take steps to make them stop even if they don't agree. 

lol so pointing out how silly your question is being anti-intellectual? I think you just can't stand it when people don't immediately agree with you. 

you think that people who are dirt poor and fighting for their lives can be tariffed into surrendering? The Israeli's have been blockading Palestine for years, it only hardens their resolve to keep fighting.

Israel holds all the power in the relationship. They are occupying the land, they have way more weapons and the US as their backer. 

Investment would be for private businesses to do. If the US is able to negotiate a stable framework for peace, then that kind of investment will likely come.

you misunderstand. I don't care what they identify as. they can believe they are a martian for all I care. If they do not meet the requirements to be the thing they claim they are, then they are not that thing. 

Really great way of changing people's minds oh wait you are going to tell me you don't care about that as well expect preach to people who already agree with you?

"Nothing is free so there is no chance ever for a "true" democracy."

Do you want to answer that?

Literally everyone at a certain or currently have been delusional or are delusional. If you actually cared about your issues you wouldn't be dismissing so many people because you need support and if you don't get it what are you going to start a revolution or something?

So majority of Americans are not delusional, how much would you say are? Percentage or stats from a source would be fine

What is this other public vote you are talking about and where has it ever been used?

So your telling me Israel and Palestine will agree with who is picked?

Then it isn't theft. Both sides will have to agree on the same laws in order for whatever body that represents it to make that case. If you want to say under US standards then sure but under a standard they both agree then that isn't the case.

Israel has the backing of the US. The UN won't do anything when the US supports Israel. 

Lol is this some anime where Palestine has a Goku who wins in the end? In reality people can take too much and die. An improve in resolve doesn't matter since it is not about who is suffered more it is about who has the better weapons.

You already understand it but still spoke about resolve as if that mattered.  

The framework of peace would be an investment and that would span a long time, I think longer than 4 years so enough time for another president to ruin it. 

Isreal is doing immoral things. The rest of the world sees this and wants it to stop. Why should they not take action to that end? Israel will never stop doing these things unless there is pressure to make them. They profit from the abuse of the palestinians. 

I support a Jewish state. “Palestinians” have their own place.

They can accept it and live in peace or be greedy. Pretty simple.

lol so the people who have been living under an economic blockade are the greedy ones? The people who have been consistently stealing land are somehow innocent? 

But it can't happen until Israel stops occupying so much stolen Palestinian land. 

All I know is if you don’t support the Jews, you’re a Nazi 🤷‍♂️

he land is rightfully Israel’s. Won after the various wars the Muslims waged upon the Jews in their anti-semitic attacks which still exist today

and Congresswomen Tlaib and Omar refuse to condemn today.

I think you misunderstand. When asked they’ve refused to condemn it lol.

As for settlements I’ve said that they lost the land...

refused to condemn what? Please provide a reference. 

no. The land has been stolen. No treaty ever granted that land to israel. If Israel ever wants peace they will give it back. Otherwise the current stalemate of terrorism and bombings will continue forever. 

and to be clear I mean the settlements on Palestinian land, I don't mean all of israel. 

Refused to condemn BDS.

They took the land after they were attacked by the Palestinians and Arabs because they wanted to exterminate the Jewish State. That’s the goal no matter how much you deny it. They won’t be content with “their land.” Israel rightfully took the land by invading it in response to national security and keeps it to this day for the exact same reason.

They want to get rid of the Jewish State. It’s pretty simple. I don’t know how you support that. There is no such thing as peace until the Jewish State is exterminated. And that’s not me saying it. It’s the Palestinians and groups that support them.

lol so when the nazi's took paris, paris became a german city? 

Some jewish people would love to expel or kill all the palestinians i'm sure

Peace is impossible while israel continues to refuse to give back the land they have stolen. 

Looks like you didn’t bother reading the articles I send you. BDS is clearly anti-semetic. If you bothered to read the article it explains exactly why.

It just doesn’t fit your narrative that these congresswomen support an anti-semitic movement.

Uh ya. That’s what conquest and invasions do. Annex parts of another nation. How do you think the Roman Empire got to where it was. The argument that they do not “own” it is worthless. They rightfully invaded the land in their defense and need to hold it for national security. 

Peace is impossible in general because the Palestinians want Israel to be exterminated. That’s not me saying that, it’s them. There is no peace until that happens. Dismissing it as only “some people believe that” is inherently false.

They’ve made it very clear they are not going to stop till Israel is gone. Occupation of that land prevents a mass genocide from happening.

nothing in that article convinced me that the BDS movement is anti-semetic. In large part because it is a movement, not a single organization. I am sure there are anti-semetic people who are in the movement. There are lots that aren't. There is nothing anti-semetic about using economic pressure to correct human rights abuse. People will argue that literally anything that anyone does that Israel doesn't like is anti-semetic. 

lol well paris isn't part of germany is it? The french continued resisting until the germans were forced back into their own land. The palestinians are going to continue fighting until the israeli's are forced back into Israel. Pretending like Israel can keep the stolen land and somehow peace could happen is a bad joke, 

please prove that every single palestinian wants to destroy israel? Otherwise this is a massive generalization without any supporting evidence. 

this literally makes no sense. How does stealing some land prevent genocide. With or without that land the israeli army is extremely well equipped and capable. The land does not protect israel in any way. It is just stolen property they want to keep. 

Oh so just because you don’t think it’s anti-semitic means it isn’t? Cause Americans overwhelmingly denounced the organization as anti-semitic. They have a direct goal of exterminating the Israeli State. If that’s not anti-Semitic idk what is lol.

Currently it is not because the Allied forces recaptured it and gave it back to France lol.

You fail to denounce the claim that the Palestinians started this conflict.

To preserve national security, occupation is required. Simple as that

My point is that peace isn’t going to happen anyways because the Palestinians demand the extermination of the Israeli State.

I love how you dodge my request for a source and then ask for one yourself. It’s impossible to prove that every Palestinian wants Israel gone. I never said that either. I was talking about Palestinians in general want Israel gone. Stop misrepresenting what I’m saying. A vast majority of Palestinians want Israel gone

You have to prove that a vast majority of Israelis want the Palestinians gone.

Pretty simple. They tried to do it in 1967 by invading Israel.

The land belongs to Israel because they rightfully invaded it and took because that was where the attacks on Israel were launched from.

A peace plan was presented, but rejected by the Palestinians because they want Israel gone. Plain and simple.

Peace can be imposed.

It was imposed on Japan. Germany. Panama. Mexico. Sri Lanka. I could go on.

Since the Palestinians will not accept peace, it should be imposed.

You are incorrect. Peace was not imposed on japan or germany. They surrendered. They chose to accept peace.

If one side does not accept peace, then peace is impossible. They will continue fighting forever.

The only way to bring peace is to convince both sides to accept it, or to exterminate one side. 

If you can't convince the palestinians to accept peace and you aren't a genocidal maniac, then peace will never happen. 

Wars end when there is no one left willing to fight. Removing the people who wish to fight will save the lives of the majority. Israel should make them an offer they cannot refuse, and this problem will vanish in one generation. Just like it did in Japan and Germany.

I cannot stop you, but it is hypocritical to @ me when you have me blocked. Just like a liberal, you want to shout and drown out the voice of others. Cancel culture.

No sir. It was imposed. Both Japan and Germany were beaten into submission. Both Adolf and the Emperor did the same thing, they bowed to the inevitable, they could no longer resist the imposition.

We know this is untrue because we know wars end. No side in a war is willing to surrender until the other side makes continuing indistinguishable from surrender. No side can continue fighting forever if they do not have an unlimited army. No one fights forever.

And the Russian soldiers marching into the capital of Germany convinced Hitler, and the mass atomic death in Nagasaki and Hiroshima convinced Japan. Palestine can likewise be convinced.

Nonsense. There is no reason the Palestinians cannot be convinced.

And they are already genocidal maniacs having stated their desire to extinguish Israel from the Earth.

Wars end when there is no one left willing to fight. Removing the people who wish to fight will save the lives of the majority. Israel should make them an offer they cannot refuse, and this problem will vanish in one generation. Just like it did in Japan and Germany.

this is a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature. When you corner someone, that is when they fight even harder because they have nothing to lose.