Captain America: Civil War Mafia - DP1

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I claimed because Sir wasn't believing this would be bastard and you yourself aren't claiming it either

I agree it’s bastard. I’m inclined to vote GP. He’s proxy, but we should still hunt for other scum. And there’s no reason for me to claim. 
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it's bullshit that now we are outed bc of this. if people just listen instead of questioning everything, we could have nice things
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Ok mine says that too. Goddamnit
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Could be a doctor or a watcher etc. Drawing the NK to a predictable place is not terrible
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What is the reasoning behind lynching GP? We can't be sure he's scum. Furthermore, if he's lying, we will know for 100% fact. On the other hand, though, if he's telling the truth, vtl'ing him is essentially a vtnl since he'll die anyway, so it wouldn't do too much harm.
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It won't end until everyone votes anyway, so no harm in placing the vote. Technically a tree could fall through your house while you sleep and kill you, and it would be irresponsible not to vote prior to the event occurring

Why do you have to jinx me like that.

VTL Grey by proxy for now
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Speed is not going to put a bastard role in the game when he doesn't know much about it overall. Grey's justification was horrible when my justification was as clear as gold. The fact that Sir is still supporting him is idiotic
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I wouldn't have if you just believed what I had to say and listened to the argument
Did you seriously think that I was having problems believing it was this unbalanced? I said, "I can't believe this." That is one of the most common exaggerated expressions meant to show surprise and astonishment and isn't to be taken literally.
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In mafia this is as certain as you get that somebody is scum. We can't be sure he is scum but 99.999% is good enough. Second guessing based on far off possibilities is silly. It is also dumb to allow lovers to out themselves to prove a particular player is scum if you aren't even going to act on the information 
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Hello everyone... the joint probably of me being mafia this many times in a row assures that it is highly unlikely... that said, as unlikely as being scum in so many games in a row, the probability of it having actualized is 1.00, and it is unlikely to have any effect on it unless the roles are not randomly assigned.

In any case, I haven’t checked my PM role yet. Nervous and excited to find out if I’m town; and then if so, hopefully it’s confirmed in the end game instead of the graveyard.

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I feel better about a tree crushing you now, thanks. Also I pray it doesn't happen
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@Singularity
It is also dumb to allow lovers to out themselves to prove a particular player is scum if you aren't even going to act on the information
Why on earth are you blaming me for this? How did I out lovers? How does outing yourselves as lovers prove he's scum? I don't understand what is going on right now.
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Firstly, I don't think it was wise to say that. Now scum knows not to bother NK'ing you, increasing their chances of taking out a PR. Secondly, that's just crazy. How can this game be balanced with 3 scum, 1 TP, a suicide, and a negative role? It's beginning to feel like Speed slapped this game together at the last minute without really thinking about it.
This is what I said before Supa started giving away his role. How does this in any way require you claiming? How is this outing lovers?
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Because of balance issues. You aren't going to disadvantage town with a dp that puts us a man down with the suicide, while a mislynch and an NK of a lover puts the town behind by 4 people immediately.  
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Balance!!! There is no way a role that can potentially kill 3 town on one night is in anyway, shape, or form balance. It could kill 4 at most if we have a vigil shoot someone. This is terrible balancing, and you seem to play it off as "bad play." Wtf am I supposed to do if people don't believe me.


And right now we go into the DP if we die at 8v2 assuming no vig NK. This is extremely winnable
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Because of balance issues. You aren't going to disadvantage town with a dp that puts us a man down with the suicide, while a mislynch and an NK of a lover puts the town behind by 4 people immediately. 
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Okay, that makes sense. Thank you for explaining this instead of just insisting "Grey's scum!"
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A 9 person game has a 7v2 with no clues in DP1. We go into a DP2 with 8v2 with MAJOR clues on how to win regarding behavior and such
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Balance!!! There is no way a role that can potentially kill 3 town on one night is in anyway, shape, or form balance. It could kill 4 at most if we have a vigil shoot someone. This is terrible balancing, and you seem to play it off as "bad play." Wtf am I supposed to do if people don't believe me.


And right now we go into the DP if we die at 8v2 assuming no vig NK. This is extremely winnable
It wasn't a question of believing you. I thought you were trying to tell me that Speed had made a horribly balanced game.
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Ok, this point about the balancing makes sense. VTL Greyparrot
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@SirAnonymous
I was saying this

A) Grey is scum, meaning game is pretty balanced
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B) Grey is town and game is horribly balanced

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@Vader
I was saying this

A) Grey is scum, meaning game is pretty balanced
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B) Grey is town and game is horribly balanced
I misinterpreted what you were saying. My bad.

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@SirAnonymous
I'm okay with dying actually. I am going to die anyway no matter what you do and lynching me is as good as a vtnl.
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Nah it's ok. My mafia keyboard screaming surely didn't make interpreting better. 
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Oh, I see how I outed Supa and Singularity. I am an idiot. I panicked and wasn't thinking straight.
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Well, I have done more than enough damage with my stupidity for one night. I'll be back tomorrow.
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He'll probably be hammered tonight. I'm in for a long night anyway so I may do some re reading and analysis
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reads
WaterPhoenix- he has a lot of fluff, i say slight town
SirAnonymous- at first he was a strong scum read, but he seems to know what he did and I think he knows. still the damage is done. slight scum
SupaDudz- town
Ragnar- N/A
Greyparrot- scum
Singularity- town by default
Discipulus_Didicit- N/A
drafterman- N/A
ILikePie5- Slight town
oromagi- N/A
Lunatic- null. not enough but some stuff
warren42- N/A
Bullish- null. ended being wrong about antago, let's see


Right now I have 5 N/A's. I'm thinking one of one of the N/A are scum at this point

There are two things that can happen/result after this DP

A) GP dies and turns scum, Sing and I die, 8v2, slight balanced game
B) GP dies and turns town, Sing and I die, 5v3, fucking atrocious balance
C) GP dies and turns scum, (user) dies, 9v2, slightly balanced, bad maf
D) GP dies and turns town, (user) dies, 8v3, atrocious balance

There's more that happens. A is most likely IMO if town plays strategically 
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im staying up for the night. i have a plethora of school shit i have to do and will be up til about 1am cst or 12:45am cst
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first things first
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VTL Supadudz