Captain America: Civil War Mafia - DP1

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@oromagi
My behavior should suffice for now. Quit fishing for claims, especially in a game where it’s guaranteed I’m a PR.

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I’m wondering if the theme will suggest who is scum. Right now no one from team Iron Man has been revealed. Not suggesting people role claim, but team claim might be a safe way to narrow things down for scum hunting.

So team cap.
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I’m posting from my phone while walking to class so I’m too lazy to quote but I’d like to make note of 53 from SirAnon for when we’re able to decipher theme. If it’s Cap and company vs. Iron Man and his side I feel like it might be TMI.
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@Barney
Thoughts on what I just said in that case?
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@Barney
speed already said there is no theme split
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@warren42
Different patterns there could be. The previous game I mentioned was role madness, so there wasn’t a clear divide (Barton, Strange, and Fury were scum). In it Iron Man could make lie detectors, but his gadgets only came into play on the second day (hence why I’m not VTLing oromagi for his odd reply to my suggestion of people voicing they win with town).

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@Singularity
I just double checked the opening post, and see no mention of that.
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I also dislike that bullish is saying that it’s good vs bad in 61 then advocating we let everyone know which side of cap/iron man we’re on, as if he might know that’s the thematic split and is pushing an easy Grey Lynch anyway
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He stated it after a few pages, after there was speculation about greyparrots character not matching a likely theme, it has been discussed numerous times by others on various pages since then
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@Vader
Wait I just realized something. If your suicidal, how do you win with town? That would for sure be a third party/jester type role where that user would win. he said he wins with town

Found it

VTL Grey

Suicide bomber can be town-aligned. I think it's usually mafia but it's not like this is a guarantee.
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Ok so singularity is right, just got to that post. Disregard my recent conjecture about bullish and siranon.
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A suicidal player dies after a certain point. Nothing can stop them from dying.

Interesting. This almost makes me think GP is a 3P survivor with a suicidal modifier. Grey, if you're 3P out yourself. Since we can have a joint win you can townside and get the dub
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@Vader
Speed doesn't know enough about modding to make a bastard role. No offense but it is his second time modding
Speed is a quick learner and seems pretty smart. Also a role doesn't have to be intentional to be bastard.
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Supa/Singularity lover pair is interesting and probably legitimate. I was wondering how singularity had known Supa's role. Yeah GP probably scum here.



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@Vader
This isn't my fault buddy. I just hinted that it is impossible game is this inbalanced

I went in with this assumption since literally everyone has a PR
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@warren42
Keep reading, but GP isn't TP, and it's highly unlikely he's scum. You'll see what I mean.
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Is anybody out there? Feels like I'm Talkin 2 Myself
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@SirAnonymous

Bear with me if I say stuff that seems stupid with your knowledge of what happens later.
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@Barney
Hello everyone... the joint probably of me being mafia this many times in a row assures that it is highly unlikely... that said, as unlikely as being scum in so many games in a row, the probability of it having actualized is 1.00, and it is unlikely to have any effect on it unless the roles are not randomly assigned.

In any case, I haven’t checked my PM role yet. Nervous and excited to find out if I’m town; and then if so, hopefully it’s confirmed in the end game instead of the graveyard.

Gambler's fallacy... gr...
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I hate to use mod psych again on an inexperienced mod but grey is semi-confirmed, or else why would speed just come out and say "there's no theme split."

Decent point from bullish
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Because he forgot to say it at the beginning of the DP. This is in no way mod confirmation. There were all sorts of possible themes other than just antagonists vs. protagonists.
If siranon is scum grey is 100% town. No way he'd actively push back against this notion (which makes decent sense) if they're partners

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@Bullish
Ok and in this scenario where does that put Zemo? TP at BEST. always lynch TP.

Did you miss that 3P can have a joint win with either side? That's a terrible lynch.
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I'm thinking it's more and more likely that GP, Supa, and singularity are all town. As drafter pointed out (or maybe disc, one pointed it out, the other echoed the sentiment) there is not good reason to assume the game is balanced, and even if it is that doesn't mean we can't have all three be town. Considering every town player has a role, town is probably very overpowered. A way to combat that is have all these roles that could die quickly, giving mafia a more favorable chance numbers-wise.
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@warren42
warren, type what you're about to say then edit/post it after you've read the whole DP, cause right now literally nothing you said makes sense in the context of what has happened.
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@warren42
Luna is un CC'ed TP and I am town. I am not a bomber, I just die.
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@Bullish
I'll channel Captain America here.

This shows my logical thought progression in the moment. Are you not interested in hearing my genuine thoughts and reactions? If not, why?
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@warren42
VTL WARREN for creepy joe biden link.
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Okay, getting caught up properly...
  • I really dislike Bullish in #61. Very eager to kill. As DiDi expanded upon in #181.
  • I will continue reading from #201 forward at a later time...

Modifying this dash from Oro, switching the alias links to the post in which they claimed (I find that way more useful).

TOWN                   ROLE                  ALIAS
SupaDudz             LOVER (1of2)     Steve Rogers (not Captain America)
Singularity             LOVER (2of2)     Bucky Barnes
Greyparrot             SUICIDAL (NP3Helmut Zemo
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oromagi                 .                          .
WaterPhoenix        .                          .
drafterman             .                          .
Discipulus_Didicit  Uncommon         .
SirAnonymous       .                          .
Bullish                    .                          (Falcon, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, or Ant-Man)
ILikePie5               ROLE COP         James Rupert Rhodes
Ragnar                  .                           Team Cap 
warren42               .                           .
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Lunatic                  LYNCHER           T'Challa
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SCUM                   ROLE                  ALIAS


Key Speculations:
  1. No theme split (official)
  2. No vig (well reasoned)
  3. Possible bastard game
  4. Scum tied to VTL GP
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@warren42
Gambler's fallacy... gr...
Gambler's fallacy was used to VTL me in post #3, so of course I had to comment on it.