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@SirAnonymous
However, I would like everyone to get active first.
+1 I won't be voting anyone until our inactives are replaced or get active.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Its more about how he seemed coy and defensive and easy to put the blame on bullish for missing it. Seems like a townie would have just said okay I'm rhodey and left it st that.
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@SirAnonymous
First of all, lyncher can joint win.Firstly, Grey is a he. Secondly, while that post was highly suspect, it's impossible for him to be scum. If he is, then it would be impossible for town to win because lynching Grey makes Lunatic win.
Second, Lunatic isn't lyncher he's scum, as I outlined in my bulletproof grey-lunatic gambit theory.
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@Bullish
Lunatic would also be fucking livid if he lost because of Speed's dumb voting rules. Yet he remains cordial. That's some BS.
yeah I agree with you on that one, I thought lunatic's reaction would be a bit bigger.
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@Lunatic
If there was a large interval between the original claim and the second one I would totally agree with you. It was only a few minutes though and the fact that he acted surprised comes off to me as him mistakenly thinking he already did (if it was in fact the case that he intentionally did not then why would he act surprised? In that scenario he would know that he had not).
Lastly the idea that he intentionally hid his character as scum seems silly due to the fact that in this game there is no character-afiliation link.
Pie is still a null read for me and I would like him to hurry up posting his reads so I can tell him how wrong he is even if I agree with him to gauge his reaction. Oops, did I say that last bit out loud?
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@Speedrace
Tangent:
Speed, this all-must-vote rule is dumb. If town comes to a consensus and decides to lynch someone, then that person should be lynched. Instead, town has to twiddle their thumbs for 2 days if the lynch target simply decides to not vote.
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@Bullish
@WaterPhoenix
Lunatic would also be fucking livid if he lost because of Speed's dumb voting rules. Yet he remains cordial. That's some BS.yeah I agree with you on that one, I thought lunatic's reaction would be a bit bigger.
I did express some dismay about the lynching mechanics, but ultimately not worried about the outcome because I partially wanted to assist town anyway. brain cell in my mind wanted to just come out as TP in my first post and take the loss and confirm grey and work with town, because you saw how easy that lynch would have been if the mechanics were normal. It would be a hollow victory, and ultimately pretty lame.
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@Lunatic
You acted surprised that he said you didn't claim, which you didn't.
Ya, cause I thought I did claim. And what I did claim fits exactly with only one character - Rhodey.
A soft claim isnt a claim.
I agree, but it’s something. I’m not pulling it out of my ass. I soft claimed a power role long before
The whole interaction with bullish seemed a bit defensive by puttinf the blame on him for "glossing over it" when it was clearly just a soft claim.
And I wasn’t being rude nor angry. I simply said I think you glossed over. But then I went on to repeat the stuff I thought I said. Defensive would be something along the lines of go read bro.
That combined with the role claim of a powerrole because of 3 votes... That and this oppertunistic oppertunistic thing I'm just feeling scum vibes
I think I’ve said multiple times, I hate playing games where there are no fun roles for me. Ask Supa, Speed, couple other folks. As I mentioned earlier, I’m by no means confirmed, nor can I be confirmed in the future.
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@Bullish
Speed, this all-must-vote rule is dumb. If town comes to a consensus and decides to lynch someone, then that person should be lynched. Instead, town has to twiddle their thumbs for 2 days if the lynch target simply decides to not vote.
+1
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@ILikePie5
The whole interaction with bullish seemed a bit defensive by puttinf the blame on him for "glossing over it" when it was clearly just a soft claim.And I wasn’t being rude nor angry. I simply said I think you glossed over. But then I went on to repeat the stuff I thought I said. Defensive would be something along the lines of go read bro.
Rude or angry isn't really what I was trying to go for. I don't think you were personally offended about anything. It's more like if you get caught fibbing or telling the half truth, and trying to defend a half truth by insinuating it was a full truth seems like something a guilty person would do out of instinct.
I think I’ve said multiple times, I hate playing games where there are no fun roles for me. Ask Supa, Speed, couple other folks. As I mentioned earlier, I’m by no means confirmed, nor can I be confirmed in the future.
This point wouldn't bar you from being scum though, and if anything would explain maybe being more excited about this game if you were scum.
I realize these aren't aren't hitting points, and just behavioral WIFOM. I'm just explaining why I feel these vibes
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@drafterman
I've seen drafterman mention that there is scum on Grey's wagon and would like to lynch from it several times now, and I'd like to address it in 1 post.
Drafter, you think there is at least 1 scum in 3 people: me, pie, and sir. So at worst, the chance of hitting scum in that pile according to you is >1/3.
But the problem with that is that from your perspective, the chance of random lynching is also at least 1/3. Why? because out of 13 players, you know that you're town, and out of the other 12 players, there is 1 TP + 3 scum, or 4 people who need to be lynched. That's 4/12 which is equal to 1/3. Through behaviour analysis you should believe we can achieve greater than 1/3 chance of lynching scum. So there is no need to confine your lynches to the Grey wagon.
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@Lunatic
That was a pretty crappy reason, I would be angry anyway.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If there was a large interval between the original claim and the second one I would totally agree with you. It was only a few minutes though and the fact that he acted surprised comes off to me as him mistakenly thinking he already did (if it was in fact the case that he intentionally did not then why would he act surprised? In that scenario he would know that he had not).
Maybe I just interpreted his reaction as more defensive and accusatory then it was intended. Again I realize this is a WIFOM-y argument, mostly based on a gut feel.
Lastly the idea that he intentionally hid his character as scum seems silly due to the fact that in this game there is no character-afiliation link.
This wasn't my argument, I don't think he was trying to hide his character. I am focused solely on the feaux seeming suprise reaction to bullishes asking where his claim was.
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@WaterPhoenix
He literally admitted to it but go on mate
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@SirAnonymous
Tangent:Speed, this all-must-vote rule is dumb. If town comes to a consensus and decides to lynch someone, then that person should be lynched. Instead, town has to twiddle their thumbs for 2 days if the lynch target simply decides to not vote.
That didn't cross my mind. However, the purpose of it is up prevent quick hammering and make all parties actually think and play in order to win. I suppose I could change the rule of people want that (it's only DP1 after all) but I think only a couple of people are against it
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@Vader
Sure, but your play was wack.
That was a pretty crappy reason, I would be angry anyway.
Everyone sees the world through a different lens. My distaste for third parties has been expressed multiple times in the past, and I haven't actually used one in a game I've modded in ages, specifically because their win cons are usually OP or underpowered. At it's core, this game is and should be town vs scum. When I was on mafiascum playing games I noticed they rarely had 3p's in them and started realizing that 3rd parties in every game is more of a DDO thing than anywhere else.
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@Speedrace
I like the rule, although I don't think it should be in every game.
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@WaterPhoenix
No its not. I did a successful pressure that got the alias of two town win and plus me and Single, its 4 town confirmed now
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@Lunatic
Sure...
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@Vader
How are you town conf? Just cause you claim out of the blue and singularity backs you up doesn't make you town conf, am I missing something here.
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@Speedrace
That didn't cross my mind. However, the purpose of it is up prevent quick hammering and make all parties actually think and play in order to win.
Quick hammering is a common scum tact and takes organization, timing, and communication. It prey's on the town's lack of awareness, and is very much a strategy that requires thinking and focus. This rule caters to town players, and everyone whose town in this game has an obligation to agree with it or look scummy, but I wonder if the mafia think differently.
I suppose I could change the rule of people want that (it's only DP1 after all) but I think only a couple of people are against it
If you change the rule then you 100% have to lynch greyparrot, or that is cruelly unfair to me.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Already gave reads on this game, look. Sir also said it, look
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@Bullish
<br>If she isn't yakuza she would immediately call BS on Lunatic's claim and push for town to lynch him next DP. She doesn't ever do that. In fact, she says "you got me" instead of immediately going ballistic.
GP is male. This has been mentioned to you before. You intentionally insulting him or just absentminded?
More importantly though GPs passive attitude at being lynched is well within his character. I recall one game where I was scum and heavily suspected as scum and it was mylo and/or lylo and I pulled some really stupid gambit to which GPs response was "Eh, pretty sure DD is scum but I'll go with it". That is not the only example, GP is well known for being a relatively passive player most of the time. This is not necessarily a bad thing - he definitely does have good scumreading ability in my experience - but it is an aspect of his style that should be kept in mind when playing with him.
My point isn't that you are wrong. My point is that you appear to be intentionally misrepresenting GPs style in order to push a narrative that is, frankly, pretty laughable. I was a significant part of that interaction that you claim is so blatantly manufactured, am I scum too? Did you really catch the entire scum team just now? You say SirAnons response seemed manufactured somehow. Is he also scum? Did Speed lie about there only being three? This line of thought is quickly getting out of hand, and all this from someone who advised town in his first post to "not overthink things" hmmm...
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@WaterPhoenix
it actually does 99.99% of the time. there really isn't a mafia variation to this role. This also confirms players, scum knows their scum
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My point isn't that you are wrong. My point is that you appear to be intentionally misrepresenting GPs style in order to push a narrative that is, frankly, pretty laughable.
I was thinking it, and you said it lol.
Also the stuff about GP's passive attitude is very true, and can be seen in very recent games (like vitrs game where he wanted to get lynched just to try and prove me wrong). Grey doesn't care about getting lynched. He never has over the top reactions.
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@Lunatic
Again I realize this is a WIFOM-y argument, mostly based on a gut feel.
Don't dismiss gut feelings out of hand, my famous 46% scum hitting rate was achieved almost entirely on gut feelings that I decided to take a closer look at, but I do happen to disagree with you on this particular point.
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@Singularity
Danielle already make an account on DART and hasn't gotten her account closed then. I HIGHLY doubt you are Danielle
By impersonating an user, you are violating the CoC
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@Speedrace
I suppose I could change the rule of people want that (it's only DP1 after all) but I think only a couple of people are against it
At the very least you could reduce the likelihood of a filibuster by making it so that anyone with a majority of votes on them is not required to have a vote up for the day to end, even if everyone else is required to.
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@Vader
No idea why you claimed but since no one else is questioning this I guess this is fine,