The rule is the rule. It was made open and clear in the OP. Deal with it.
Argue about it in the end game.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I've never actually seen that happen, so I won't bother
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@Vader
Already gave reads on this game, look.
I checked the post history on your profile and saw no reads list. Pretty much the only significant read you have given all game is your scum read on GP, which is ancient history by now.
We need you to read over the DP and give your reads of other players besides GP so that we can get a better read on you, to help us catch scum, and to try to soften your irrational tunneling of GP.
I am going to put together an oro style sliding-scale reads list of my own now. I will try to keep my explanations relatively concise.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
147 first reads
updated reads
WaterPhoenix- he has a lot of fluff and not comprehending information strongly, null
SirAnonymous- at first he was a strong scum read, but he seems to know what he did and I think he knows. still the damage is done. slight scum
SupaDudz- town
Ragnar- N/A
Greyparrot- lean scum
Singularity- town by default
Discipulus_Didicit- very town. his reads have been very town based overall and dispersed a situation for a potential mislynch
drafterman- Null
ILikePie5- Null
oromagi- Light scum lean. Kinda throwing wild accusations and claims into a mix, I think it is scummy
Lunatic- null. not enough but some stuff
warren42- N/A
Bullish- slight scum. wrong on themeing and still has it a a factor in page 9
gonna make myself some coffee
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@SirAnonymous
Get on here. You're 19 pages behind. If you wait any longer, it'll hit 30.
25... someone please give me the tl;dr!
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@Speedrace
Until I get caught up...
VNTL
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@Vader
How did you update your reads if you havent caught up yet
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@Barney
What!! All this and a vtnl!? Lmao did you not read either?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't think I ever played a game as town that Supa didn't at some point declare me as 100% scum.
Never mind just til he catches up lol
Vote Count
ILikePie5 - drafterman, Singularity, Lunatic
GreyParrot - SupaDudz, ILikePie5, GreyParrot
Bullish - Discipulus_Didicit
Lunatic - Bullish
Ragnar - oromagi
WaterPhoenix - WaterPhoenix
VTNL - Ragnar
Not Voting: warren42, SirAnonymous
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@Vader
I don't think I've posted much fluff.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Pie is still a null read for me and I would like him to hurry up posting his reads so I can tell him how wrong he is even if I agree with him to gauge his reaction. Oops, did I say that last bit out loud?
Sorry I got carried away with all of this BS
Town
Greyparrot - Lunatic’s mechanics essentially town confirm him at this point. Plus if he’s lying then he won’t die and we lynch him
Disc - my strongest town read. He’s been consistently active today and been calling out people. His analysis on Bullish is convincing, but I would still like to firm my own opinion on him. He says his role is confirmable, and I think he believes in the theory of lynch all liars.
Lean Town
Supa - I’ve never seen a Lover pair be designed as one being scum and the other being town. I’m willing to entertain this idea at MYLO at LYLO however, because for now I see town. Supa specifically, hasn’t made any scum slips, which I’ve been really good at seeing (lmk If you want links). His behavior for this reason is town for me.
Singularity - I town read him because I townread Supa at the moment. As I said before, if there is a scum and town lover pair, I’d prefer to leave consider it more towards the end. In the pair though and for the record, I’d say it’s Single.
Null
Ragnar - Inactivity
Warren - Inactivity
Drafterman - his case has been policy. Other than that there’s nothing to analyze in my opinion, I’d prefer more reads from him, regardless of policy which everyone knows,
Null/Slight Scum
SirAnonymous - I just see quarrels with Bullish and no analysis tbh. I asked him for a policy lynch to get a gauge but I didn’t receive anything. The fluff is starting to bother me, but there’s an attempt I guess. Reads would allow me to better place him in either Town or scumpile
Bullish - Also senseless quarrels SA. There could be legitimate mischaracterization with what he said about SA. Furthermore, he’s been all over the place. GP , Lunatics, etc. Reads would also allow me to better place/adjust him.
Lean Scum
WaterPhoenix - I don’t see much activity from him and he criticizes me for being inactive. I agree that in the last two games, I have, but I said said I would be active this game and I am being active.
Oromagi - Levi_smiles from DDO, notorious for being posting the bare minimum and lying under the bus as mafia. Normally he contributes extensively but in this game it is extremely sparse if that.
Lunatic - Confirmed TP
Sorry for the delay, I’m typing over phone
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@Speedrace
GreyParrot - SupaDudz, ILikePie5, GreyParrot
I unvoted a while back
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@warren42
Unvote vtl warren
What ur thots be bro
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@Lunatic
In South Park you literally win the game but you were still so mad you took a break from mafia. There's 0 way you could win this game now forcing you to play against your wincon because of a voting rule you don't agree with. You should be mad and the fact you're not means you're faking your wincon.I did express some dismay about the lynching mechanics, but ultimately not worried about the outcome because I partially wanted to assist town anyway. brain cell in my mind wanted to just come out as TP in my first post and take the loss and confirm grey and work with town, because you saw how easy that lynch would have been if the mechanics were normal. It would be a hollow victory, and ultimately pretty lame.
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@Speedrace
I don't think you should change the rule. If you don't think you should use one, note it for a different game, but their are possible strategy elements that different users may use because of that rule, and changing the game on them is unfair
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@ILikePie5
I said you weren't as active as you said you'd be, not that you weren't active. Did you literally base your scum read off of me not saying you were active?
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@Bullish
I didn't take a break because I was "mad" wtf? I took a break because my activity levels are gonna be wierd on Thursdays through Saturdays from now on based on my new work schedule. Its why I was reluctant when i signed up for this game.
Also I have no reason to be mad. I fvcked up by not readin its not the mods fault. I still disagree with lynching mechanics though. Also as ive stated I almost didn't play to my wincing from the beginning because lynched are OP.
Wincon*
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@WaterPhoenix
I said you weren't as active as you said you'd be, not that you weren't active. Did you literally base your scum read off of me not saying you were active?
Either way I’ve been more active than you lol.
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@Lunatic
Also I have no reason to be mad. I fvcked up by not readin its not the mods fault. I still disagree with lynching mechanics though. Also as ive stated I almost didn't play to my wincing from the beginning because lynched are OP.
I personally agree with this sentiment. But we can argue this in Endgame
unvote vtl warren
forgot to do that
activity pressure
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@Lunatic
Lynched is OP since you can fake claim results, not that you even needed to, since half the town thought I was scum anyway and the other half wanted to lynch to hedge bets...
DON'T LYNCH
Discipulus_Didicit - The mafia did not allow him on their team because they were so jealous of his sharp wit and good looks.
Greyparrot - He will be jumping off a bridge this weekend anyway, no need to waste a lynch on him.
Lunatic - Non joint winning TP has pledged to help town. Based on his personality taking this pledge at face value is reasonable but even if he doesn't help town he has no incentive to help scum due to not being able to win with them.
SupaDudz/Singularity - The likelihood that they are a scum team gambiting seems low at this point but even if they are it will be revealed in a few days by their lack of dying. If they are telling the truth then scum won't let them live for long since they can kill two townies with one shot.
drafterman - Scum hunting seems both legit and accurate. Well thought out and detailed posts indicate a willingness to engage and nothing to hide.
SirAnonymous - Adamantly insisting that people should not reveal too much information about their roles for no reason and subsequent dismay at being ignored in the first few pages seems genuine, and in hindsight pretty smart too considering the negative utility of certain claims we saw in those early pages.
oromagi - Willingness to engage in the game and some helpful analysis, though his unexplained (as far as I remember) vote on Ragnar is not something I completely understand. The weakest of my town reads, but atill a town read.
ILikePie5 - Role cop claim is confirmable though obviously not affiliation indicative. This is where my null reads begin.
Ragnar - No significant contribution that I can recall. Unlike WP however he has been mostly innactive so at least there is the possibility that he simply hasn't had time to contribute.
WaterPhoenix - No significant contribution that I can recall.
warren42 - Pretty sure he has not even posted. If he has it definitely wasn't significant.
Bullish - My only real scum read, and one that I have explained quite in-depth. Basically his posts seem manufactured and designed to push specific adgendas using false information. The fact that his wagon has had so little momentum despite being a prime lynch candidate for most of the DP further suggests a concerted behind-the-scenes effort to divert attention away from his wagon.
LYNCH
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@Discipulus_Didicit
GP is male. This has been mentioned to you before. You intentionally insulting him or just absentminded?
I swear when I was on discord the other day she had a girl voice.
More importantly though GPs passive attitude at being lynched is well within his character. I recall one game where I was scum and heavily suspected as scum and it was mylo and/or lylo and I pulled some really stupid gambit to which GPs response was "Eh, pretty sure DD is scum but I'll go with it". That is not the only example, GP is well known for being a relatively passive player most of the time. This is not necessarily a bad thing - he definitely does have good scumreading ability in my experience - but it is an aspect of his style that should be kept in mind when playing with him.
Link to the game? your example isn't one where grey knows for a fact her accuser is scum. Grey, if town, should have known that Lunatic is lying about her role and thus scum. Instead of saying something baseline like "that's a lie" or "lynch him next DP" all she said was "you got me."
My point isn't that you are wrong. My point is that you appear to be intentionally misrepresenting GPs style in order to push a narrative that is, frankly, pretty laughable. I was a significant part of that interaction that you claim is so blatantly manufactured, am I scum too? Did you really catch the entire scum team just now? You say SirAnons response seemed manufactured somehow. Is he also scum? Did Speed lie about there only being three? This line of thought is quickly getting out of hand, and all this from someone who advised town in his first post to "not overthink things" hmmm...
You're the one misrepresenting me, AND you just contradicted yourself. In the last paragraph you just said GP is passive. I said her excessive passiveness toward someone who she should know to be scum is indicative of her own scumminess, and you said being passive is her meta. Now you're saying that I'm misrepresenting GP's play even though you just agreed that she is being passive. How can you agree with my representation of Grey's play then immediately claim that I'm misrepresenting her? Are you saying you are also misrepresenting her play?
Why would you even bring up yourself and sir, my reads on Grey has nothing to do with either of you.
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@Lunatic
Also the stuff about GP's passive attitude is very true, and can be seen in very recent games (like vitrs game where he wanted to get lynched just to try and prove me wrong). Grey doesn't care about getting lynched. He never has over the top reactions.
Explain why then she would say "you got me" before you even claimed lyncher.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I got you beat bruh my scum read rate is 60% up to the last game I did stats for, and that's DP1 only.Don't dismiss gut feelings out of hand, my famous 46% scum hitting rate was achieved almost entirely on gut feelings that I decided to take a closer look at, but I do happen to disagree with you on this particular point.