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@disgusted
Don't you have a Maori genocide convention to attend?
Quassim Solemani is Dead
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Still blocked by the coward. Run away frightened african.
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@HistoryBuff
so you don't believe this general is responsible for 1000's of murders? or if he was no one could do anything about him because of fear from retaliation? Maybe he was retired and done murdering people? terrorist will be terrorist? do these murderers get free reign for fear of retaliation?
have they stopped their support for terrorism/terrorist, human rights abuses etc that sanctions should be eased?
what if everything that is being claimed is true, would you still oppose the actions taken?
these "deals" can only be enforced with sanctions and violence.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
so you don't believe this general is responsible for 1000's of murders?
I am not denying the possibility. But the US has provided no evidence that this is true.
or if he was no one could do anything about him because of fear from retaliation?
That is exactly how this works. I'm sure there are lots of countries that would love to assisinate a member of the US government. Many of them certainly would deserve it since many of them are war criminals. But they don't because america would retaliate. Unfortunately, America thinks it can just do whatever it wants.
he was retired and done murdering people? terrorist will be terrorist?
He wasn't retired. You say terrorist, they say freedom fighter. The same way they say the US is the terrorist for drone striking civilian targets and Americans say "defenders of freedom".
have they stopped their support for terrorism/terrorist, human rights abuses etc that sanctions should be eased?
How do you expect to negotiate without offering anything? You seem to be under the impression that America has the power and authority to just beat countries into submission and never have to actually talk to them. That isn't how the world works.
what if everything that is being claimed is true, would you still oppose the actions taken?
Yes. Because the negative consequences far out weigh any positive ones. This action puts us directly on the path to war. It will kill large numbers of people and will save none. Even if he is the monster the US government would have you believe he was, killing him will still cause far more problems than it solves. It was objectively a terrible idea.
these "deals" can only be enforced with sanctions and violence.
You have to actually make a deal before you can talk about enforcement. The Trump administration is making no effort to get a deal. They are just massively increasing tensions and causing people to die.
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@HistoryBuff
But the general is responsible for the killing of many Americans. You can be skeptical of the thread posed to strike an attack, but he has killed many Americans. Bonified terrorist
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@HistoryBuff
it sounds like you are under the assumption that these people, some who blow themselves up, burn people in cages, throw gays from roofs etc are rational and can be dealt with and treated as such.
how long has Iran been chanting "death to America"? and you think they can be reasoned with? they are religious zealots, that's all that matters to them. take over the world and death to all others.
if you believe they want to live in peace you are woefully wrong.
they will only comply when forced to or if it furthers their cause. They have a long term goal. They will get a nuclear weapon eventually, they know this, they will pretend to go along with whatever plan eases sanctions so they can get what they want. Once they have it, game over.
this really is just like many strategy games, except with real people.
Someone really reported me for supporting this decision. Lol
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@Vader
But the general is responsible for the killing of many Americans. You can be skeptical of the thread posed to strike an attack, but he has killed many Americans. Bonified terrorist
Boeing has also killed alot of Americans. So has Trump. If all you need to justify murder is that they have killed some Americans, then that list will be a mile long.
But that is beside the point. How bad or good he was should not be the primary reason America attacks foreign countries. The argument they are making is that this makes america safer, but it is 100% the opposite. It makes america much less safe. Iran will counter attack. Americans will die. Someone else has already taken Solemani's job and is planning attacks to avenge their predecessor.
America hasn't saved any lives by carrying out this murder. But they will definitely get people killed.
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@HistoryBuff
So has Trump. If all you need to justify murder is that they have killed some Americans, then that list will be a mile long.
Trump is pulling troops out of Syria, so he isn't even killing people indirectly. This argument is ridiculous. And I'm talking about directly. Boeing is fair, but it was a 1x occurance
America hasn't saved any lives by carrying out this murder. But they will definitely get people killed.
There's no evidence he did, no evidence he didn't, hence this is a generalization. People will always die. It's how they die that matters. If this was useless attack, then there is the justification for wasting lives. I highly doubt Congress would allow them to bomb a foreign leader without a reason. Syria was for civilians being gassed.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
it sounds like you are under the assumption that these people, some who blow themselves up, burn people in cages, throw gays from roofs etc are rational and can be dealt with and treated as such.
It sounds like you are engaging in the bigoted practice of dehumanizing your adversaries. It is a stupid practice that makes diplomacy and peace much more difficult and war crimes much easier. Trump is threatening to attack civilian targets on twitter (a war crime). You couldn't get away with that if people saw their adversaries as human.
how long has Iran been chanting "death to America"? and you think they can be reasoned with? they are religious zealots, that's all that matters to them. take over the world and death to all others.
America has been trying to destroy them for decades. Of course they hate america. It won't stop attacking them. The moment you rule out diplomacy, you are guaranteeing war.
they will only comply when forced to or if it furthers their cause. They have a long term goal.
The same can be said for the US. The same can be said for pretty much any country.
hey will get a nuclear weapon eventually, they know this, they will pretend to go along with whatever plan eases sanctions so they can get what they want. Once they have it, game over.
With the nuclear deal in place, that day was a long time away. Without it, that day is much, much closer.
this really is just like many strategy games, except with real people.
This isn't a game. Trump's decisions will ruin lives. He is getting real people killed.
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@ILikePie5
I'm saying they are clowns if they think we are going to war.
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@Vader
Trump is pulling troops out of Syria, so he isn't even killing people indirectly. This argument is ridiculous. And I'm talking about directly. Boeing is fair, but it was a 1x occurance
Trump has removed air pollution laws, that will kill Americans. His policies have kicked many thousands off medicare taking away their healthcare, that will kill americans. He will arguably kill more americans than Iran ever has.
People will always die. It's how they die that matters.
People will now die in terrorist attacks that would otherwise have died of old age. And trump has caused that.
I highly doubt Congress would allow them to bomb a foreign leader without a reason.
I'm not sure I know what you mean. Trump didn't even tell congress he was going to murder Solemani. He committed an act of war with 0 oversight.
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@HistoryBuff
People who don't work don't deserve medicare. And he is INDIRECTLY. The sickness will kill people and the factories that produce the air pollution will kill people. Private corporations are going to help with climate change, and states are already passing laws too about it and taking initiative, so I highly doubt his removal on a federal level means anyhting to be honest.Trump has removed air pollution laws, that will kill Americans. His policies have kicked many thousands off medicare taking away their healthcare, that will kill americans. He will arguably kill more americans than Iran ever has.
People will now die in terrorist attacks that would otherwise have died of old age. And trump has caused that.
People MAY. You can't be certain of their retaliation
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@HistoryBuff
I'm sure he went to advisors or members of Congress for opinion or had some evidence behind it
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@Vader
I'm sure he went to advisors or members of Congress for opinion or had some evidence behind it
I think he advised 1 or 2 of the republicans. No democratic member of congress was told. That means the leader of the house had no idea trump was committing an act of war before he did it.
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@HistoryBuff
burning people alive, throwing gays off of roofs etc, you are correct I don't see them as human
again you think you can reach a diplomatic solution with religious zealots bent on ruling the world and killing or enslaving non believers.
he killed people who killed people, he's not getting anyone killed, they would/will kill no matter what he did or didn't do. terrorist will be terrorist.
so you think Iran just wants to live in peace and be left alone?
how should they be sanctioned for supporting terrorism and human rights abuses?
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@disgusted
“We can have peace this second, if we surrender.”
-Reagan
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
burning people alive, throwing gays off of roofs etc, you are correct I don't see them as human
Then you are admitting you are bigoted. Some people have done those things, so all of Iran must be evil. America has bombed wedding, funerals, markets etc. Is all of america evil too?
again you think you can reach a diplomatic solution with religious zealots bent on ruling the world and killing or enslaving non believers.
lol, world domination huh? When did Iran announce they were looking to conquer the world?
he killed people who killed people, he's not getting anyone killed
That's bullshit and you know it. Trump took an action that will guarantee a counter attack. He is getting americans killed.
they would/will kill no matter what he did or didn't do.
I'm sure there would be attacks somewhere in the world done by someone, and that trump would blame Iran (without any evidence). But now there will definitely be attacks carried out by Iran and people will die. That blood is on trump's hands.
so you think Iran just wants to live in peace and be left alone?
I think Iran is no different that Israel, Saudi Arabia or America. They are trying to push for their interests. They want power and influence in the region, no different than Saudi Arabia or the US. But the Saudi's and the US government want that power for themselves, so they attack Iran.
how should they be sanctioned for supporting terrorism and human rights abuses?
Your question is backwards. America has been trying to use the stick for literally decades and all it has done is continue the problem. it isn't working. More murders and drone strikes won't change that. Diplomacy is what is needed, not more murders.
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@HistoryBuff
Lol, 40 Iranians won't die of old age either. This madman kills people even after he is dead!
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@Greyparrot
40 Iranians won't die of old age either. This madman kills people even after he is dead!
He was so popular that the crowd for his funeral caused people to die. And you think that is evidence he was evil? Man that is some backwards thinking.
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@Vader
I'm sure he went to certain ones, sure, someone must have told him that the general was at the airport etc and I'm sure someone(s) said now is the chance to take him out. Trump is not the only one who has acted in this manner. I believe Obama killed some terrorist in similar ways and circumstances.
But Obama could do no wrong and Trump can do no right.
Given what we have witnessed, only a fool would have told the democrats before hand.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
how long has Iran been chanting "death to America"?
Ho lone has been since USA shouted "death to Iraqi's? You seem think USA is some kinda of a saint. Not true.
and you think they can be reasoned with?
Yeah, we along with allies had a nuclear deal with Iran and 'Orange-bad-man' took a big crap on it.
they are religious zealots, that's all that matters to them. take over the world and death to all others.
I think you need to look into USA mirror. We have USA military bases in more countries than Iran and' Orange-bad-man' 'wants to take over Iran by wiping them off the map, as was done with Iraq.
if you believe they want to live in peace you are woefully wrong.
USA and other nuclear nations consider hydrogen bombs to be 'peackeepers', but somehow, for Iran to have a nuclear weapon is not an act of peacekeeping. You obviously do not know how to follow ratrher simple, rational, logical common sense. Why is that?
Oh your a cult follower of the immoral, corrupt narcissist 'Orange-bad-man'
they will only comply when forced to or if it furthers their cause.
They were complying with nuclear deal and "Orange-idiot-man" pooped on that contract. Do you have access to any rational, logical common sense brain centers?
They have a long term goal. They will get a nuclear weapon eventually, they know this, they will pretend to go along with whatever plan eases sanctions so they can get what they want. Once they have it, game over.
Hardly game over. Again, you follow no rational, logical common sense. Many countries have hydrogen bombs and it is not "game over". At least not yet.
Nuclear weapons are nuts{ M.A.D } and it is only a matter of time, before, somewhere somehow, one or more are going to go off, intentionally or not. Then and only then will you be able have a valid "game over" comment to express, provided the bombs dont land near you, or others who want to claims Irans having a nuclear weapon is "game over".
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@ebuc
so you don't think they would use this technology and bombs for terrorism?
Why are the other countries not wanting Iran to have these bombs/technology?
I generally dislike most of those in the U.S. government past and present.
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@HistoryBuff
For an advanced nation, having 40 people die at a funeral shows the backwardness of the culture.
Nobody died at any of America's funerals of American leaders, even JFK, due to stampedes.
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@HistoryBuff
Some people have done those things, so all of Iran must be evil.
is that what I said? how about some honesty on your part?
has the regime stopped those atrocities? arrested or punished those who have and continue to commit them?
how should they be sanctioned for supporting terrorism and human rights abuses?
Your question is backwards. America has been trying to use the stick for literally decades and all it has done is continue the problem. it isn't working. More murders and drone strikes won't change that. Diplomacy is what is needed, not more murders.
ahhh ok, so how about we use diplomacy with murderers in the U.S. and we can house them next door to you? How about that?
oh let's ask, pretty please stop burning people, killing gays, raping women etc, maybe that would work, or we'll pay you not to do those horrible things, or punish those who do these things, think that would work?
diplomacy with barbaric criminals, that's awesome.
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@Greyparrot
I find it perplexing that diplomacy would be needed to stop terrorism, burning people in cages etc People of that mind set can be rationalized with? As I see it we can turn a blind eye to it or not. If not the options are rather limited.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Backwards cultures don't have much of a chance for survival in a universe governed by the natural law of selection.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
HistoryBuff is an Iran supporter. It’s pretty visible. If he seriously believes the Iranians can be reasoned with without force then he’s on something. Attacks on Americans didn’t stop after a Nuclear Deal, he knows that, yet he defends it. They are willing to do anything to get the nuke and get rid of Israel, pretty simple.
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@Vader
I'm saying they are clowns if they think we are going to war.
U got reported for that? I’m ded
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@HistoryBuff
I am not denying the possibility. But the US has provided no evidence that this is true.
He’s a freakin terrorist. US government told you Bin Laden was behind the attacks and you believed it, at least I assume you did. You saying there’s no evidence is blatant hypocrisy for what Obama did. Do you have any idea the type of government you’re defending?