Trump's Impeachment may actually fuck Elizabeth Warren the most

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All you are doing is talking past me so that you can try to wedge in your talking points without actually listening to anything i say. 
What do you expect when talking to a birdbrained Greyparrot.

Mellers results were that Trump is above the law ergo cannot be charged.

These birdbrains cannot accept the facts that Trump and most of his associates ---and supporters---  have committed crimes and like all crimminals that keep repeating the same ole line of defense.  I'm not guilty of anything and were certainly not going to give you any evidence or witness'es, who can elaborate on key details of their crimes

Trump is a mob boss cult leader whose narcissistic ego resonates with his associates and supporters depraved ego.

Would not surprise me if we do not see an episode on the program "Criminal Minds" that is about mobster president.



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Mellers results were that Trump is above the law ergo cannot be charged.

There was no law stopping Mueller from listing impeachable offenses like every special counsel before him. Mueller just wanted to say something to appear smart because he had no impeachable offenses to list. Just some "maybe" phrases that he hoped Congress would translate as impeachable offenses. Nowhere in the 400-word diatribe (not written but read by Mueller) did the phrase "impeachable offense" appear because he had no possible crimes to list. No Russian collusion. No instances of Trump impeding his investigation. Just a bunch of Orangemanbad opinions written up by fancy lawyers working for the taxpayer.

The only "mobsters" are people like Schiff rewriting the rules of jurisprudence to assume guilt before innocence, to alter the words of the person on trial and present that as evidence, to exclusively use hearsay as the sole source of evidence, to claim obstruction when a defendant asks for a court decision, and to repeatedly claim to have evidence of a crime without actually being required to produce it.

This is a clear case of the abuse of 1/4 of the Congress to destroy a political opponent and reverse the results of a democratic election.
Putin would be doing the slow clap. Well done.
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There were several cases where Trump explicitly impeded the investigation


The report found that Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey refused to end the investigation into Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser. [Vol. 2, 75]

Trump tried to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to protect him by limiting the investigation into himself and his associates. [Vol. 2, pg. 97, 112, 113]

Trump ordered White House Counsel Donald McGahn to fire Special Counsel Mueller, but McGahn refused to carry out the order. Trump then ordered McGahn to lie about the attempted firing and create false records. [Vol. 2, pg. 89, 120]

Trump actively discouraged his senior aides charged with crimes from cooperating with federal investigators by suggesting the possibility of pardons or threatening them in public and in private. [Vol. 2, pg. 120-128, 144-152]

The report concludes that President Trump personally helped write a false statement for his son to give the public about a meeting with Russian operatives at the Trump campaign headquarters. He falsely claimed the meeting was to discuss adoption policy, rather than the real purpose of the meeting, which was to get information benefiting his campaign and damaging his opponent. [Vol. 2, pg. 101-103]
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There were several cases where Trump explicitly impeded the investigation


The report found that Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey refused to end the investigation into Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser. [Vol. 2, 75]

The FBI Director serves at the leisure of the President. It is legal for him to fire the FBI Director whenever he pleases per the Constitution

Trump tried to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to protect him by limiting the investigation into himself and his associates. [Vol. 2, pg. 97, 112, 113]
Again, legal. President can dictate policy initiatives to his Cabinet. Obama did the same thing with Eric Holder and Fast and Furious.


Trump ordered White House Counsel Donald McGahn to fire Special Counsel Mueller, but McGahn refused to carry out the order. Trump then ordered McGahn to lie about the attempted firing and create false records. [Vol. 2, pg. 89, 120]
Special Counsel also serves at the leisure of the President since he’s part of the Justice Department. It’s just bad optics to do so.


Trump actively discouraged his senior aides charged with crimes from cooperating with federal investigators by suggesting the possibility of pardons or threatening them in public and in private. [Vol. 2, pg. 120-128, 144-152]
Executive privilege is a right given to the executive branch along with the power to pardon Perth much anyone.


The report concludes that President Trump personally helped write a false statement for his son to give the public about a meeting with Russian operatives at the Trump campaign headquarters. He falsely claimed the meeting was to discuss adoption policy, rather than the real purpose of the meeting, which was to get information benefiting his campaign and damaging his opponent. [Vol. 2, pg. 101-103]

Just like how Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton were talking about grandchildren right? And again there was no evidence of this occurring since Mueller wrote and testified that there was no collusion.
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There were several cases where Trump explicitly impeded the investigation
Your speaking to the Greyparrot bird brain that is low on its dopamine supply. The Trump mobster and his cult followers only one over-reaching belief. That Obama  was not born in USA ergo not a legitimated season. 

Give these bird-brains more dopamine and maybe they can begin to have access to empathy centers of their brains, and access to some kind of rational, logical common sense.
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None of which were listed as impeachable offenses, probably for the same reason that Mueller would never imagine the idea Obstruction of Congress is a crime when someone goes to the court for a judgment.
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None of these are clear cases of obstruction. It's mostly opinions of biased lawyers that they could have possibly impeded the investigation. The one about "almost firing Mueller" is laughable. If hypotheticals were impeachable offenses, there wouldn't be enough trees to supply the paper for that list. If Mueller had a complaint and wanted to pursue something specific in the investigation, but was unable due to Trump, you won't find that anywhere in his report.
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If you step back, it's really crazy how out of control the House has become with a friendly corporate crony MSM to hide their transgressions.

Pelosi not only thinks she is above the law and the courts but apparently above the Senate as well.

"Some branches are more equal than others." George Orwell saw this coming long ago.


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The point is that the narrative of "There were no instances of Trump impeding the campaign" is false.
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The legality of these cases aside, I find your defense of obviously corrupt practices to be absolutely pathetic and morally reprehensible.

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Was that a Freudian slip? You think Meuller's "investigation" was an orchestrated campaign?
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The legality of these cases aside, I find your defense of obviously corrupt practices to be absolutely pathetic and morally reprehensible.

The courts disagree with your opinion.

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Was that a Freudian slip? You think Meuller's "investigation" was an orchestrated campaign?
Wat?

The courts disagree with your opinion
The courts haven't made a ruling on these cases I believe. That, and they wouldn't making a ruling on whether or not the defense of this behaviour is morally reprehensible or pathethic. Any ruling would be purely based on the legality
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@dustryder
The legality of these cases aside, I find your defense of obviously corrupt practices to be absolutely pathetic and morally reprehensible.

That’s for the courts to decide. Oh wait that obstruction, I’m going to impeach him 🤦‍♂️
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@dustryder
The courts haven't made a ruling on these cases I believe. That, and they wouldn't making a ruling on whether or not the defense of this behaviour is morally reprehensible or pathethic. Any ruling would be purely based on the legality

They can’t make a ruling cause you already impeached him. Now it’s all with the Senate.
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@Greyparrot
Pelosi not only thinks she is above the law and the courts but apparently above the Senate as well. 

There are like 300k signatures for her impeachment 
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Nowhere in the 400-word diatribe (not written but read by Mueller) did the phrase "impeachable offense" appear because he had no possible crimes to list.
Everyone knows a mobster is a criminal.  Many humans are criminal, yet not charged or convicted.

Everyone knows a mobster is lacking moral spiritual integrity.  Many humans are lacking moral and intellectual integrity, but some are in positions of authority because of those who also lack some degree of  moral and spiritual integrity.

Everyone knows a mobster lies and some mobsters lie more than others to line their pockets with money and maintain their power position.  Differrent humans will ignore the truth and give their soul/heart to the immorals for differrent reason.

Is there a common denominator for all of the people mention in all of the above set of circumstances? 

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That's almost as good of an Orangemanbad rant as the Mueller report. 8/10
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............Orangemanbad...............
That is what mature adults know.  Some are just ignore this truth and sell their soul/heart for some unknown reason, at least unknown to me.

In some cases its is primarily ego.  And this ego comes into play in differrent ways for differrent Trump cult followers.



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Orangemanbad may be an impeachable offense, but you won't convince anyone not afflicted with TDS.
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They can’t make a ruling cause you already impeached him. Now it’s all with the Senate.
If you want to engage with me on a topic, you need to actually know what you're talking about instead of making up rubbish.

Courts make rulings based on indictments. It is standing procedure that a sitting president cannot be indicted. The courts haven't made a ruling because he has not been indicted. This does not mean that the courts cannot make a ruling because he's already been impeached. This is nonsense that doesn't mean anything
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Courts make rulings based on indictments. It is standing procedure that a sitting president cannot be indicted. The courts haven't made a ruling because he has not been indicted. This does not mean that the courts cannot make a ruling because he's already been impeached. This is nonsense that doesn't mean anything

You're showing a severe ignorance of the law in an obvious display of confirmation bias.

Judicial Courts make rulings over grievances, which may or may not consist of indictments. Standing procedure isn't law anyway, and a grievance can be petitioned to the courts from any member of Congress. It's pure nonsense to think Congress has an excuse to ignore the courts.

Trump didn't have to indict Schiff to get satisfaction from the Courts.

It's a horrible thing, confirmation bias. Orangemanbad so the law must work the way you think it must work to justify that.
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......Orangemanbad may be an impeachable offense,.........
It is in a court of mature adults and those who can place their ego, racism etc to the side to recognize truth, morality and spiritual justice.

That reminds me, most of the Trump cultist are racists.

So ego and racism is probably the two largest reasons we have these cultist Trump supporters/enablers.



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It is in a court of mature adults and those who can place their ego, racism etc to the side... 

You mean the mature adults that applauded and cheered when the impeachment resolutions passed causing 1 member to swap parties? Or was that when Pelosi said she was somber one day then had a spring in her step the next day?
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Let's assume this is true.

How does Trump being impeached prevent a ruling on this matter, especially when he was not impeached on the basis of this matter?

and

What rulings have the courts made concerning this matter?
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.........You mean the mature adults........
Yes. I know you not familiar with mature adults nor do you recognize racism of cultist Trumpist.

Sad :--( days for USA, humanity and the ecological Earth that sustains us all.

Trump is going to prison along with some of his cohorts. Unfortunately there is no reprimand for the ignorant immorals that voted for him irrespective of various reasons of their support then, and those who still supporting this psychopathic, narcissistic criminal.


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Trump is going to prison along with some of his cohorts.

Nah. The dream of a Globo-Fascist state and state-controlled media is over thanks to the internet.
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If you want to engage with me on a topic, you need to actually know what you're talking about instead of making up rubbish.
Have you even read the Constitution and studied the Federalist Papers along with past court cases on the issue? Cause I definitely have.


Courts make rulings based on indictments. It is standing procedure that a sitting president cannot be indicted. The courts haven't made a ruling because he has not been indicted. This does not mean that the courts cannot make a ruling because he's already been impeached. This is nonsense that doesn't mean anything

The Courts can force Trump to withdraw executive privilege and compel witness testimony, just like Nixon and the Watergate Tapes. But, since they already impeached him, now the Senate has the sole power to hold a trial. Sole power means sole power as the Supreme Court ruled in in U.S. v Nixon (1993) that the issue become non-justiciable as soon as an Officer of the United States has been impeached. 

Courts can not determine the process, plain and simple because that’s the job of the Senate which is under the control of Mitch McConnell.
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Let's assume this is true.

How does Trump being impeached prevent a ruling on this matter, especially when he was not impeached on the basis of this matter?

and

What rulings have the courts made concerning this matter?

U.S. v. Nixon (1993). Check it out....
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The Courts can force Trump to withdraw executive privilege and compel witness testimony, just like Nixon and the Watergate Tapes. But, since they already impeached him, now the Senate has the sole power to hold a trial. Sole power means sole power as the Supreme Court ruled in in U.S. v Nixon (1993) that the issue become non-justiciable as soon as an Officer of the United States has been impeached. 
This has nothing to do with the legality of impeding the Mueller investigation, because Trump was not impeached for anything related to the Mueller investigation. Impeachment was declared to be nonjusticiable in US v Nixon, matters outside of impeachment are not.