One Of The Most Enigmatic Verse In All Christianity

Of the many strange and anomalous verses and statements written in the New Testament scriptures,  John 11:16 has to belong in the top 10 of mysterious verses.

John 11:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 

The "him" which  "Thomas, which is called Didymus" is referring to is a supposedly very  "dead"  Lazarus.

And before the usual protests and false accusations of  "writing out of context";  here is the full text containing that enigmatic verse.

John 11:1-16 King James Version (KJV)

11 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)

3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.

6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.

8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

The story then continues with the "raising" of Lazarus. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+11%3A1-+45&version=KJV

Christianity to my mind is all about life, giving life, sparing life, love of life,  life everlasting and life after death . Jesus himself  speaks only of life and living: 

John 11: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. And indeed the very idea and purpose of Jesus "raising" the dead Lazarus, was to bring him back to life.

16 Then said Thomas, .....unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.  

More lies. And even more attempts to rewrite the scripture and put words into the mouths of the players in the weird story.  The whole story is about the "death" of LAZARUS, and the "raising" of Lazarus as any scholar and infant school child can tell you.

The whole CHAPTER is there and it is made clear. The message came that Lazarus " is sick", while Jesus was lolling around the Jordan. Jesus seems to be in no hurry to go to the aid of his sick friend  and "stayed where he was two more days"..  YET! Jesus for some reason  says that Lazarus is "only sleeping" but then changes his mind: 

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Like you ethang, Jesus cannot seem to make up his fkn mind up,  as to whether or not LAZARUS is asleep or dead.

The NIV version of this problematic story makes it more that clear as to who and what this story is about. They even title it;

John 11 New International Version (NIV)

The Death of Lazarus

 So away with your bullshite excuses just for once and explain why these two disciples wanted to die.

I am saying the story is about the death and resurrection of Lazarus by Jesus .Learn to fkn read, stupid 

Thomas, for reasons known only to himself, decides it would be a good idea to  go back to Bethany with Jesus and where Lazarus  supposedly lays dead in a tomb and had been so for four days.

And he says this:

It goes on to say;- 

  

So as much as you attempt to rewrite this bullshite story of a dead man being "risen" from the dead via a supposed "miracle", YOU still do not explain what the words "Let us also go, that we may die with him. "   spoken by Thomas actual mean..

And the reason you cannot do this is because you do not understand the story at all. Your biblical teachers didn't know either and if they did , they kept it from you sunshine.

I agree. What's you point.

Except by you and your cretinous preachers and teachers. It is a shame you don't try studying it a bit closer. 

And that is true , on the face of it it makes no sense at all on many levels, proven by the fact that people just like you have to lie your way out of tight corners  and re write whole verses when confronted with the insurmountable contradictions and anomalies that the bible contains and as thousands of biblical scholars profess.   Do not blame me for the failure of your cretinous preachers and teachers.

John 11 King James Version (KJV)
2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.
4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
5 Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he found that had lain in the grave four days.
18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
23 Jesus saith unto her,Thy brother shall rise again.24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.
30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him.
31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there.
32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.
34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
35 Jesus wept.
36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
45 Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.
46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.
54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.
55 And the Jews' passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves.
56 Then sought they for Jesus, and spake among themselves, as they stood in the temple, What think ye, that he will not come to the feast?
57 Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment, that, if any man knew where he were, he should shew it, that they might take him.

I already did. You are again pretending not to have seen it although I have posted the FKN story. here it is again

No. You just disagreed, you did not explain why the "him" refers to Lazarus.

Then if you cannot see it after even after it has been pointed out to you then I can now understand how easy it must have been for those preachers and teachers to indoctrinate you , Popoff.

9 Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

Why would these priests want Lazarus dead?

But then  if you  understand the meaning behind the words "raising the dead" you would understand immediately all of the enigmatic verses where "raising from the dead",  "let the dead bury the dead" falling down dead" without explanation, and especially the verse in question , "Let us also go, that we may die with him". 

10 But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11 Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

20 "And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.

22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Then I will assume you have absolutely no intention of affording me the same time and courtesy that I have afforded you.  

You have no answers to my questions. And I am not surprised, my questions on this particular enigmatic biblical point have never been answered.

 How stupid were these Chief Priests not to realise that If Jesus had "raised a dead man" to life once before that he would simply do it again if they succeeded in their mission of murdering Lazarus "whom he lovest" ?  You avoided it.

You haven't haven't told me why YOU think the chief priests wanted Lazarus Dead? You avoided it.

 I asked you:

Why would these priests want Lazarus dead?  You avoided it.

Tell me how can the dead bury the dead?  You avoided it.

How did Jesus know that Lazarus was dead? You avoided it.

Thomas is refering to the fact that they are going to Judea, where they want to kill Jesus. Lazarus is in Judea.

So actually, yes, context does clear this up.