Max knew 6 (real) days earlier that he wasn't hated at LYLO and failed to tell anyone. At LYLO, it would have just looked like a cheap mafia trick.
After DP3, Lunatic was very pro-town. Yes, he was wrong in his lynches, but it would have been very hard for him to catch Speed the way Speed was playing.
Lunatic was the most anti-town element in the entire game, including the Mafia. His reasons were shoddy, his argumentation methods deceptive and polarizing, and his reads and lynches worthless.I find it very surprising that anyone could nominate him MVP given this performance this game. You call him a "tragic hero" but all I see is "tragic." His reads weren't logical and scum hunting really only has value if you can actually do it well, which he showed he cannot.
His "plan" wasn't brilliant. Granting him the benefit of the doubt regarding airmax being hated at LYLO, his plan only had value if airmax was, in fact, scum.
In which case, if the only way Town wins is if airmax is scum, then it would have simply been better to lynch him right then and there, mooting the entire plan.
It was less a "plan" than a realization of inevitable doom.
I find it very surprising that anyone could nominate him MVP given this performance this game. You call him a "tragic hero" but all I see is "tragic."
It was only desperation to break the sheeps up
You are literally accusing Lunatic of having incorrect reads when you yourself admitted that you never suspected Speed and had incorrect reads.
It wasn't Lunatic's fault that he didn't catch Speed. It was that Speed didn't slip. Also, his read against you in DP3 was pretty logical. You were clearly tunneling, which is anti-town.
You assumed that you had 100% certainty, or at least close to it.
That's just it. Given the info that town had, doom was inevitable unless airmax was scum. They didn't have enough evidence to lynch anyone. By that point, they really had no path to victory.
The whole game was tragic. The tunneling that you, Wylted, and GP did in DP3 completely threw town offtrack.
You made yourself look scummy in that toxic dogfight (granted, so did Lunatic and Wylted) and got lynched.
Yes, Lunatic made some mistakes. The reason I nominated him for MVP was because everyone else played even worse, and the only players who played better (PressF and ILikePie) didn't make any positive impact for town. There is a good case to be made that PressF was MVP even though he ultimately failed, since he at least made fewer mistakes. But other than him and ILikePie5, who died in the first round, Lunatic was the only real candidate.
The sheeps won this game for you, not me or Luna.
Oh, awesome. Glad to have you on board. Good luck with exams.
My first post was congratulating Speed. He did exceptionally well.
I lead 1 potential mislynch. Lunatic led 1 potential mislynch and 5 actual mislynches. There is no comparison.
No it isn't. Tunneling is only as good or as bad as the initial read or logic. Tunneling itself is neutral.
And? Being wishy washy doesn't get anyone lynched. Being certain does.
Then what is so brilliant about that plan that did absolutely nothing to help town improve its odds?
The only people willing to listen to reason were Wylted and GP.
I'll admit my contribution and it would have probably been better to just ignore Lunatic's analysis for the drivel it was, but that doesn't make him MVP, nor does it make me (or anyone else) worse than him.So everyone else played worse, except for the people that didn't. Okay. Neither Press nor Pie pushed for 5 myslynches in a row. And I think you are completely ignoring DP1.
I lead 1 potential mislynch. Lunatic led 1 potential mislynch and 5 actual mislynches. There is no comparison.Lunatic lasted 4 DPs longer. When you died, he only had a potential mislynch and one mislynch. Yes, there is a comparison.
No it isn't. Tunneling is only as good or as bad as the initial read or logic. Tunneling itself is neutral.Tunneling isn't neutral. Players need to consider more than one possibility.
And? Being wishy washy doesn't get anyone lynched. Being certain does.Because it's impossible to be certain. If you'd had your way, Lunatic would have been mislynched. You were certain he was scum, even though he was town. Also, being wishy-washy is not the only alternative to certainty.
Then what is so brilliant about that plan that did absolutely nothing to help town improve its odds?I concede that it wasn't brilliant, but it was still helpful. Had the known info been correct, it would have increased town's odds simply because no one else bothered to think about what Max being hated could mean.
The only people willing to listen to reason were Wylted and GP.Drafted, you were wrong. You were 100 percent certain, but you were wrong. So were they. After they listened to you, they closed their ears to any other possibility. Tunneling is not listening to reason.
I'll admit my contribution and it would have probably been better to just ignore Lunatic's analysis for the drivel it was, but that doesn't make him MVP, nor does it make me (or anyone else) worse than him.So everyone else played worse, except for the people that didn't. Okay. Neither Press nor Pie pushed for 5 myslynches in a row. And I think you are completely ignoring DP1.You missed my post in which I changed my my MVP to PressF. Also, what am I ignoring about DP1? I still think Lunatic did well after DP3. At least he didn't give up trying like many of the others did. When the going got tough, the TUF got going.
Okay, if you want to compare while we were both alive, my record is better than his.
There is no benefit to considering more than one person at a time if you already have scum.
Yeah, Lunatic would have been mislynched and Town would have been better off for it.
How so?
Who's "they"?GP and Wylted.Most of town sheeped Lunatic all the way to a loss.
And tunneling isn't ignoring reason, it's focusing on someone to get them lynched.
You can't mislynch 4 times in a row and call it "doing well."
Except that you didn't have scum. DP3 was a perfect example of why tunneling doesn't work. You focused entirely on one person, you were 100% certain, and you were wrong. Even when you think you're right, you still need to consider other possibilities in the event that you're wrong.
That's poor play on the part of the rest of town, not Lunatic's. You can't blame the shepherd for the sheep's decision to follow him.
Actually, it's confirmation bias.
"Confirmation Bias or Tunnel Vision is when a player becomes convinced by their own arguments by virtue of how long or how strong they hold them." https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Confirmation_BiasAlso, I think you misunderstood my statement. I didn't mean "Tunneling = Not Listening to Reason." I meant "Tunneling =/= Listening to Reason."
What evidence was there that Speed was scum? No, the results weren't "doing well," but that isn't a reflection on how Lunatic was playing.
He lacked the necessary information to conclude that Speed was scum. You can't blame him for getting bad results when he had next to nothing to go on. The only person who found any evidence against Speed was ILikePie5 in DP1, and everyone had either forgotten or not paid attention in the first place.
