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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Don't waffle, answer the question.
What right do "prolife" people have to be aware of any persons appendectomy?
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@dustryder
Enough with the semantics. For the 4th time...explain why these reasons give you the right to murder another human being.
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@disgusted
Don't waffle, answer the question.
Says the guy who's been ignoring my question for the past three days.
If pro-life women don't oppose women's bodily autonomy, then how is it not inconsistent for you to say that pro-life men do? Why does the logic of the situation change simply because the people in question have different chromosomes?
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@disgusted
Ok, lets play with your false comparison.
Ok, I don't have a right to be aware of any person's appendectomy. Now let me guess, you are going to conflate abortion to surgery to try and make your false point that we don't have a right to know what's happening in abortion.
Again, abortion involves the murder of an unborn baby, regular surgery does not. I have a right to have a say in protecting innocent unborn children.
And don't give me the "Don't waffle, answer the question" crap. Very hypocritical of you considering you said "Did you support the American wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If you can wander off on tangents then I can. Now answer.
Now answer.
Now answer."
I said "no." Then you didn't respond because it didn't fit your narrative. Typical leftists.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
That's easy enough to answer. It doesn't. Because this isn't murder. This is abortion.
Do you understand why this isn't murder? Do you need to look it up in the dictionary?
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@dustryder
Your slipping more and more into the insults category...this isn't how you want to go down, is it?
Because this isn't murder. This is abortion.
You yourself said, and what I've been talking about this whole time, is that personhood starts when a life becomes viable. In this case, that would be 22 weeks. Therefore, this 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions. So given these are human beings, according to your own logic, again, why can they be murdered by a women?
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@dustryder
Another question- "Fetal viability is the ability of a fetus to survive outside the uterus." (since your into the dictionary thing)
A baby can not survive outside the womb. It does not know how to care for itself. The fetus and the baby will both die on their own. So why is viability the marker for personhood?
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@SirAnonymous
I answered that go back and find it then you can stop lying.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
You just continue to dishonestly misstate the question under discussion, come back when you've learned some honesty.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
So you agree with 1st trimester abortions? Good for you.
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@disgusted
You just continue to dishonestly misstate the question under discussion, come back when you've learned some honesty.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
So you agree with 1st trimester abortions? Good for you.
When did I ever say that?
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
A foetus is an organic mass which possesses life. The foetus itself is not "a life".This means that we are in agreement the foetus is already a life, not a potential life.
Life is the potential.
The same rule applies to all organic forms.
It's just that as humans we are obviously biased and therefore selectively moral.
And some of us are more selectively moral and biased than others.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Ok, I don't have a right to be aware of any person's appendectomy.
So what gives you the right to know of any persons medical procedures?
The answer is: you have no such right
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Post #367 look
is that personhood starts when a life becomes viable. In this case, that would be 22 week
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@disgusted
So you answered it and I'm lying and saying that you haven't? That's an easily testable claim. Let's look through every post you made since I asked you to see if you answered my question.
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@disgusted
Many of them may not know better because they aren't exposed to different ways of thinking. The governments there control information flows to their people.Typical conservative government behaviour.
Nope.
Until you accept the FACT that you have no right to know what medical procedure any other human is undergoing you can't be involved in this discussion. What gives you the right to know what procedure anyone else is undergoing?
Not here.
It isn't no-wage labor, though. You have to pay to feed and house the slaves. That is why they used low-paid Irish to do the more dangerous jobs because it would be more expensive to lose a slave.You gotta love how the right defends slavery. LOL
You didn't answer it here either.
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@disgusted
I didn't ask you that. Try be be truthful and answer the question.Oh you can't be truthful or you will go to hell, that's hilarious.
Didn't answer it here.
Absolute right wing government. You have a failed knowledge of the world.
Or here.
You have absolutely no right to know what medical procedure any person, other than you, is undergoing.Tell me what it is that makes you think you have such a right.
Or here.
No he's not
Not here.
You have absolutely no right to know what medical procedure any person, other than you, is undergoing.Tell me what it is that makes you think you have such a right.
Still no answer.
Abortion isn't any secret. It is a major political topic, so of course people are going to know what the medical procedure isWhy? What right do you have to interfere in a woman's medical procedure?You continually skip that part. You have no right to know about the medical procedures being undergone by anyone.Put your nose back where it belongs.Others medical procedures are none of your business, just fuck off.If you don't like my position on abortion then argue against, but simply saying you shouldn't know how babies are being killedOnce again you deliberately avoid the real subject and concoct lies to suit your agenda. What gives you the right to know that a man is having a tumor removed and why do you have a say in whether or not that procedure can go ahead?
Still not talking to me.
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@disgusted
Not this.What right do "prolife" people have to be aware of any persons appendectomy?
Don't waffle, answer the question.What right do "prolife" people have to be aware of any persons appendectomy?
Nope.
I answered that go back and find it then you can stop lying.
And we're back where we started. The only post you addressed to me said, "No he's not." This was when I interjected into the slavery conversation.
So it turns out that you didn't answer my question, so I'm not lying.
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@SirAnonymous
I understand your inabilities but the answer was no, go look.
So you are lying.
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@disgusted
I did look. I compiled every post you made since I asked the question back on page 12. None of them even acknowledged that my question existed. If you answered my question, then provide a link to your answer. If I'm lying, then prove it.
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@SirAnonymous
I have.Off you go now.
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@disgusted
Tell me what post number it was. Give me a link. Quote it. Prove that I'm lying.
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@zedvictor4
This isn't theistic this is scientific. There is no agenda here. It is just a scientific fact that when a sperm fuses with an egg through meiosis, a knew life forms with its own unique DNA code.
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@disgusted
Bahahaha, I nailed it.
If you were intellectually honest then you would read my response and be intellectual. "Now let me guess, you are going to conflate abortion to surgery to try and make your false point that we don't have a right to know what's happening in abortion."
"Again, abortion involves the murder of an unborn baby, regular surgery does not. I have a right to have a say in protecting innocent unborn children."
"is that personhood starts when a life becomes viable. In this case, that would be 22 week"
If you didn't cherry part of the quote, you would see...
You yourself said, and what I've been talking about this whole time, is that personhood starts when a life becomes viable
Yourself meaning dustryder, as I was addressing him. I was going off his logic, not mine.
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@disgusted
@SirAnonymous
EXPOSE HIM!!!! OHHHHHHHH!!!!
I did look. I compiled every post you made since I asked the question back on page 12. None of them even acknowledged that my question existed. If you answered my question, then provide a link to your answer. If I'm lying, then prove it.
<br>I have.Off you go now.
Danggg, I'm sorry but "disgusted" just got shredded. This should be a youtube video- "SirAnonymous DESTROYS hypocritical leftist SNOWFLAKE with FACTS and LOGIC"
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
That's funny, but a little over the top. I doubt a YouTube video about an argument in a forum would be very interesting.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
No theism intended.
You obviously couldn't be bothered to consider my comments.
Though if this were just a debate about the birds and the bees, why would a pro-lifer or a pro-chooser need to change their mind?
Q. Can you tell me what life actually is?
Q. And why should life in humans be any different to life in other forms?
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
Your slipping more and more into the insults category...this isn't how you want to go down, is it?
Have no fear. I shan't descend too far into insults. Instead I shall become progressively more condescending as it becomes more readily obvious that you lack depth in your understanding of my replies and this topic. Heavens!, I've done it again.
You yourself said, and what I've been talking about this whole time, is that personhood starts when a life becomes viable. In this case, that would be 22 weeks. Therefore, this 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions. So given these are human beings, according to your own logic, again, why can they be murdered by a women?
According to my logic I have no problems with any sort of killing of human beings as long as a sufficient reason is given with respect to the moral constraints of society. I deem reasons for abortion sufficient and so everything else follows, yes?
I'm unsure what you're unclear about really as it seems to be rather clear to me
Another question- "Fetal viability is the ability of a fetus to survive outside the uterus." (since your into the dictionary thing)
That's certainly one definition. But as you've obviously noted, that particular definition doesn't really encapsulate the idea of developed organs vs non-developed and the like and doesn't really distinguish fetal viability from any other viability.
Here are some definitions which better encapsulate the idea of fetal viability
"the point in a pregnancy at which, in the reasonable opinion of a medical practitioner, the foetus is capable of survival outside the uterus without extraordinary life-sustaining measures."
"reached such a stage of development as to be capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus."
A baby can not survive outside the womb. It does not know how to care for itself. The fetus and the baby will both die on their own. So why is viability the marker for personhood?
Apart from this question being contingent on a flawed definition of viability, this has already been answered. Do you honestly think that we've gone through 15 pages of responses without you asking that question?
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
It is just a scientific fact that when a sperm fuses with an egg through meiosis, a knew life forms with its own unique DNA code.
Facts:
Egg { X } is live biological organism of the woman.
Spermoza { X or y } is live biological organism of the male who gives his sperm to the female.
Combination of spermoza with egg equals an biological living oganism of ---and attached to-- the pregnant woman, until,
.....1} birth of fetus as baby only and,
.....2} disconnect of the umbilical cord.
The less complex male cannot, nor ever will be a womb-an irrespective of sexual transitions.
The more complex female and most complex pregnant woman are the most complex biological organisms of Universe.