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Retarded, it would have been better if drafter pretended to be offline and just let the lynch fail, not to mention you would have to be a real shitty player to not see what was blatently clear, which is that SA was obvious scum.
You are the last player on earth I'd be taking seriously when it comes to opinions about "shitty" mafia players lol. But under the idea that drafter was mafia bussing his team mate, it would look really good for him to lead that lynch. He constantly tried mentioning it as a reason for his own town cred. How would he have known he would be right about that? He himself doubted the read early on. In that regard your read on SA made more sense then drafters. Drafter admitted the case on SA was weak, and nothing SA did changed, but his wagon on SA only got stronger as the day phase went on. 

It is of value, when you have 2 competitive lynches, one which is on a clearly scum player and one that is on a town player, then it is valuable to see who was pushing for the preferred lynch of the scum team. Most lynch wagons are kinda useless but not in these rare circumstances. I think the mafia scum wiki discusses the importance of analyzing competing wagons as well. in their strategy guide
This is why in most live mafia games, scum who bus almost constantly win. No one ever doubts the person who led the lynch on the mafia. As mafia, bussing seems to be almost unbeatable because of people like you who dis-regard it as a common thing.

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What had me more suspicious of him is the fact that he kept trying to imply that my derailing of the lynch was scummy, but never placed a hard scum read on me. If he honestly thought I was derailing a lynch of a mafioso, that should have been more scummy to him. He kept re-stating it was. If my behavior in trying to lynch AROSE instead of SA was so scummy, why wouldn’t he have voted for me instead?
SA was obvious scum. I stated that myself on DP1, you have a reputation for being against bussing and just because one person you view as scummy doesn't mean you lynch them yet. Why the hell should we have lynched you before supa and SA? especially since super and SA were easier lynches to get. It was a scummy behavior to go with the scum preferred lynch target especially how obvious SA was as scum. It is also doesn;t mean you are scum to display a single scummy behavior, how would it make drafter scum to have a slight scum read on you early and then to strengthen that read, it seems retarded to claim strengthening reads is scummy. 

Slightly scum read wylted. I wonder if mafia picked up on the dialogue I had with pie. Pie asked if I was suspicious of wylted vig claim, I wonder if wylted as mafia picked up on that as pie wondering if he should counter claim. Makes sense why pie would have been killed if they suspected him as a vig from that conversation.
No, the scum team did not pick up on that, and it is retarded. If the scum team picked up on that, they would have allowed pie to live. Pie is poor at reading players and would have likely misused his abilities. 
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== Role Confirmed Town
Oromagi

== Bet $10

== Probably Town
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Wylted - Claimed a powerful role, and Michael Scott
PressF

== Neutral
Speedrace
Airmax1227

== Probably Scum
drafterman

== Scum

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Actually Supa only joined the wagon when it already had enough votes, so it was obviously a ploy to get town cred for helping a lynch he had nothing to do with. He was on the scum preferred lynch most of the time.
Supa was actually originally on the SA wagon. He switched to AROSE briefly then switched back. It was planned to bus him all along. 

Another retarded statement. It makes more sense for him to save you until lylo or mylo if this logic is true, because by this logic we should lynch him if you flip town, meaning he just lost the game by pushing your lynch too soon
If drafter is town the statement "one of me or lunatic has to be scum" doesn't even make sense since he would know he is town. He's literally just saying that to paint that dichotomy of me being scummy for being alive when he chooses not to kill me.
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Like I said, your analysis is shitty, because you have to use fallacies, because you are scum and the truth is inconvenient for you. Here is why I almost always win, whether scum or town. It is because even as scum I still usually stick to the truth. If I am scum making that sort of analysis it would be logically consistent with no fallacies, but you are weak as scum and combined with your philosophical stance against bussing and not being on two very obvious scum lynches, we know for a fact what your affiliation is
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What's your case on press? Also you realize there can only be one scum right? So if you think it's me it can't be press....
Another dumb statement to break up a read instead of doing actual scum hunting. GP is obviously saying in the one in a million chance you are not scum, that we should take a harder look at press. He is not saying you are both scum
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@Lunatic
The fact that you would offer zero on press shows you don't care about scum hunting.
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Interesting that you were willing to bet 10 bucks I was town at the beginning of this DP, before I claimed. Also, what does the link to my post have to do with anything?
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SA was obvious scum. I stated that myself on DP1, you have a reputation for being against bussing and just because one person you view as scummy doesn't mean you lynch them yet. Why the hell should we have lynched you before supa and SA?
I don't have a reputation for being against bussing? Drafter kept saying I was derailing the lynch, and saying it was scummy. If derailing the lynch was so scummy why not lynch me when he himself admits the case on him was weak? SA being obvious scum wasn't as apparent to drafter as it was to you by his own omission. 

No, the scum team did not pick up on that, and it is retarded. If the scum team picked up on that, they would have allowed pie to live. Pie is poor at reading players and would have likely misused his abilities. 
Who knows, could be wrong on that, but it was convenient. 
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Arose, lunatic is scum. There is nothing to debate here. The only reason I engage with him is incase anybody falls for his absurd shit
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You aren't Phyllis
This is the most pathetic tunnel justification I have seen.
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@Wylted
Like I said, your analysis is shitty, because you have to use fallacies, because you are scum and the truth is inconvenient for you. Here is why I almost always win, whether scum or town. It is because even as scum I still usually stick to the truth. If I am scum making that sort of analysis it would be logically consistent with no fallacies, but you are weak as scum and combined with your philosophical stance against bussing and not being on two very obvious scum lynches, we know for a fact what your affiliation is
You make no sense. You didn't point out logical fallacies. You just said everything's "retarded" because you have your mind made up. And wtf are you talking about my philosophical stance against bussing?

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Actually I made a more detailed case later on, dude atleast don't be a liar. my case stated the same thing I just stated to you about SA. You should have bussed him instead of stubbornly sticking with your philosophy when his death was imminent anyway
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The fact that you would offer zero on press shows you don't care about scum hunting.
What's their to read on press? I never said he is confirmed town, but I have a lot more behaviorally on drafter atm. If drafter ends up being town we can look into other options later. Your the one who suspects him. YOU make the case and convince me he is scum, if that is your read. If you think I am scum, then press is town. so what is it?

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Actually I made a more detailed case later on, dude atleast don't be a liar. my case stated the same thing I just stated to you about SA. You should have bussed him instead of stubbornly sticking with your philosophy when his death was imminent anyway
I'm all for bussing as mafia. Prove to me where I said I was against it lol. You make no sense.

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What does "breaking up reads" even mean? Unnatural and guarded? You didn't cite examples of that DP1, maybe if you had, I would have felt more comfortable buying your argument. You just tossed out blanket statements. 
I don't have to point out examples. There iis a difference when being careful and guarded with words and is obvious. If you were actually town than you would have seen it as well. There is a difference between saying

"HI"

which is natural and phony use of language because you are more self conscious than usual such as

"Hello there Lunatic, How is your day?"

self conscious people, afraid every word may betray what is in their heart talk different than people who could care less about concieling intent


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@Lunatic
You are the last player on earth I'd be taking seriously when it comes to opinions about "shitty" mafia players lol.
It's because you are an idiot. you can look at my history of games on this site. I have been remarkebly accurate in my reads and in getting the correct people lynched. last game I was a little distracted by some of the mod shenanigans but even if you leave that example in there my record of being almost perfect is pretty remarkable

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If you aren't against bussing than why weren't you on SA's lynch or supas?
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@Wylted
There is a lot that can go into a win. If your win streak is as good as you say it is you probably got carried a lot. Your expert play isnt showing here.
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Because I'm not mafia

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Btw I was on supas lynch I was the first person dp2 to suggest lynching him
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@Wylted
If you aren't against bussing than why weren't you on SA's lynch or supas?

Very sus that he jumped on Supa AFTER warren had the 6/6 count up.... why would town do that? At least Luna could provide a phony reason like "just in case warren is retarded"

Luna's excuse was he didn't see the 6/6 count. How useless is a townie that doesn't keep track of votes from the mod?
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I saw somebody in another game say you told them in a scum PM you were philosophically opposed to bussing, and bussing is common but it is usually only done when a specific lynch is imminent, nobody really leads a lynch on their scum buddies for the most part. I mean it can be done but it is rare. WHy don't you just self vote, and we will lynch drafter next DP, that way if you are correct we still win, but if I am correct we also still win
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yeah, I just happen to be on the correct wagon 3 DPs straight, but my play sucks

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First off why are you trying to convince wylted that I'm scum. He already thinks that lol. Second I was playing games with max during the lynch on supa. He con confirm this as I was making the occasional post from my phone. That day phase went by really fast and it was during my weekend. I'm mostly on while at work. 
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Actual endgame quote by tuf when I vigged him as a noob  to end a game "You were right about me, but it was only coincidence because you did not look for reasons I could be town" DUde never goes into the endgame and just says "good job"
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Exactly. A real town would flip his balls out and 1v1 Drafter.
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Lol because you don't scum read drafter theres no way you would lynch him for me mext dp. If that was a plausible option id be more than willing. Also I dont think im getting lynched this dp
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Luna was also a late claim, so for the same logic I was up drafterman's butt

VTL Lunatic