Office Mafia DP3

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If you wanted my claim earlier you should have pressured for it. Someone has to be the last to claim, that doesn't automatically make them scum.

Is that the extent of your logic? Last to claim = scum?

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@drafterman
Mafia is warehouse, you need to not CC someone but also not be a warehouse character.

So u late claim. That makes perfect sense.
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This is the same shit you will be saying in the end game. Wylted is always right but he sucks at defending his reads so therefore he is wrong. I don't even think this is an act on your part. You are scum by POE, even if it weren't for POE you are displaying obviously scummy behavior. You need to improve your scum play. I would have led the same team to victory that you had. You are breaking up reads, making absurdly long cases filled with logical fallacies and inconsistencies and then asking  people to address your gish gallop.  You shouldn't even be fighting this. You should just concede defeat. It is obvious what lynch is occurring this dp and that ending this game is a mere formality 
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At a computer now. I can address a few of the retarded logical fallacies you used. Your read is nonsensical and you are still breaking up reads more than scum hunting. I have seen you intentionally misinterpret things me and drafter have said. Intentional misinterpretations is a scum tell. Like I said that if you were town you would not fight your lynch this hard because your mindset would be that we could afford a mislynch. 
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Arose, don't delay this game. Just lynch lunatic so we can get to the endgame
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I gave a legitimate case for SA as did others on DP1 and you were even lying then and saying it was nothing but sheep. 
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@Wylted
This is the same shit you will be saying in the end game. 
If I get lynched, sounds like you will be eating your words. 


 You are breaking up reads, making absurdly long cases filled with logical fallacies and inconsistencies and then asking  people to address your gish gallop.

Feel free to address these logical fallacies and inconsistencies. 

 You shouldn't even be fighting this. You should just concede defeat.
There isn't even a case on me. Not from you or anyone. If I get lynched it's because town was extremely lazy and followed your bad unsupported logic.
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@Wylted
SirAnon: You are Lonnie, one of the familiar faces around the warehouse. You never really get developed much, which means people often forget about you. You can do your work in the background. You are the ninja. If you carry out the night kill it will be unable to be tracked or watched. You win with the Mafia.

Supa: You are Darryl, the head of the warehouse. You have the final say on what goes on in the warehouse. As such, you’re the roleblocker. Each night you can select a player. If they have a night action, it will fail.

That's not a coincidence and Michael is definitely in the game.
There's no way it's Lunatic because of this
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You agree with my post 218 here, right?
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So you don't understand the flaw in that logic? Or you just don't care?
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@Wylted
The warehouse and actual office aren't the same thing in the show.
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@Wylted
At a computer now. I can address a few of the retarded logical fallacies you used.
I'm still waiting.

Your read is nonsensical and you are still breaking up reads more than scum hunting.
What do you mean "Breaking up scum reads"? I've got a pretty gnarly case on drafter, I'd consider that scum hunting.

I have seen you intentionally misinterpret things me and drafter have said.

Care to cite examples?

Intentional misinterpretations is a scum tell. Like I said that if you were town you would not fight your lynch this hard because your mindset would be that we could afford a mislynch. 
No one is providing a case to lynch me. You got nothing. I spent all night on a google doc looking into my scum read. There's better lynches than me. You've got literally nothing. 
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@drafterman
There is no flaw, assuming you are scum it makes sense.
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Okay, so why are you assuming I'm scum?

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@A-R-O-S-E
You agree with my post 218 here, right?
You mean about the warehouse guys being mafia? Yeah I picked up on that too just now. I've seen some episodes of the show, and vaguely recall their faces from google searches. Who would the 3rd warehouse guy be?

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"First off, I’ll quickly address the DP1 “derailment” thing. I initially was okay with the SA lynch, you can see from my posting style and behavior that initially I was leaning on letting him get lynched. What changed my mind was the fact that he was at L-1 with only a day left, and most of the wagon felt very rushed."

This is stupid. No experienced town member is this stupid. What is important is an independent analysis of SA, not whether we lynch scum quickly or slowly. Not to mention I think I have seen charts showing quick dp 1 lynches tend to be more accurate than the slower ones

Not to mention SA’s answer to the whole “claiming after one vote thing” seemed very sincere. He was a noob who didn’t know any better. The strongest reason to lynch them was probably Airmax saying his character claim might indicate a thematic difference
No the strongest reason to lynch was he was displaying the following scum tells; Breaking up reads instead of scum hunting, speaking in an unnatural and guarded manner, witholding his vote and trying to look too consistent which is a noob scum thing. Town doesn't care about consistincy they care about continually evaluating and updating their reads to be more accurate
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@A-R-O-S-E
I understand the logic.

If Scum, then claim last.

But you've turned it on it's head to be this:

If claiming last, then scum.

This is a fallacy.
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@Wylted
I gave a legitimate case for SA as did others on DP1 and you were even lying then and saying it was nothing but sheep. 

What was your case? 


This post?

Why is it not pro town? DO you have inside knowledge that AROSE is town?


Something seems off about you, and it isn't your newness

unvote VTL Siranonymous


Hopefully this is more pro town in your eyes

lol
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@drafterman
I already suspected you just for not claiming, because for the like, fifth time the mafia is warehouse employees.
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Yeah, I understand and agree with that. What does that have to do with me? Phyllis isn't warehouse.
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I don’t care if we were right about the lynch. I am happy for it, and happy that I was wrong. But I think a big part of the lynch was mafia manufactured for town cred. Drafterman, I think is one of my top scum read right now.
Retarded, it would have been better if drafter pretended to be offline and just let the lynch fail, not to mention you would have to be a real shitty player to not see what was blatently clear, which is that SA was obvious scum.


am feeling little hints of his affiliation by him reinforcing the idea that analyzing the DP1 lynch has value specifically on the AROSE wagon. Trying to derail the idea that “bussing is uncommon”.
It is of value, when you have 2 competitive lynches, one which is on a clearly scum player and one that is on a town player, then it is valuable to see who was pushing for the preferred lynch of the scum team. Most lynch wagons are kinda useless but not in these rare circumstances. I think the mafia scum wiki discusses the importance of analyzing competing wagons as well. in their strategy guide
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@drafterman
Assuming someone is scum before going through their actions than assuming they are town.

Just a point of view before breaking things down.
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You aren't Phyllis
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So whoever claims last is automatically scum who is fake claiming?
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This is stupid. No experienced town member is this stupid. What is important is an independent analysis of SA, not whether we lynch scum quickly or slowly. Not to mention I think I have seen charts showing quick dp 1 lynches tend to be more accurate than the slower ones
Charts eh? Feel free to cite them. The lynch on SA was ill supported, regardless of SA's flip. Drafter manufactured it for town cred. Sad thing is, if we don't lynch him now, most of you will fall for his ploy hook line and sinker. 

No the strongest reason to lynch was he was displaying the following scum tells; Breaking up reads instead of scum hunting, speaking in an unnatural and guarded manner, witholding his vote and trying to look too consistent which is a noob scum thing. Town doesn't care about consistincy they care about continually evaluating and updating their reads to be more accurate

What does "breaking up reads" even mean? Unnatural and guarded? You didn't cite examples of that DP1, maybe if you had, I would have felt more comfortable buying your argument. You just tossed out blanket statements. 
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@drafterman
"I was holding out for a potential CC. You know, like you like to do."

That's useless unless you subtly hide it somewhere, where did you hide your character?
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“I looked over the past few games. Bussing is fairly uncommon. In fact, the only person on Sir's wagon who has ever bussed was Water.”

Despite the fact that we know know supa was on board that lynch of SA
Actually Supa only joined the wagon when it already had enough votes, so it was obviously a ploy to get town cred for helping a lynch he had nothing to do with. He was on the scum preferred lynch most of the time.

e other thing he said that had me suspicious is “If one of me and lunatic survive til the end, one of us is scum”. This statement only helps the mafia if he is town. It’s telling them to keep us alive to split a decision between us later. The only reason I could see him saying that is so he could set that situation up to make me look scummy by surviving, something he would as mafia have control over by choosing not to kill me.

Another retarded statement. It makes more sense for him to save you until lylo or mylo if this logic is true, because by this logic we should lynch him if you flip town, meaning he just lost the game by pushing your lynch too soon
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No, you don't have to bread crumb to wait for a CC. You just have to not claim. I also locked in as a female character early.
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@drafterman
It's the endgame and your claims are the least solid, so it makes sense to lynch you before anyone else.

Me for example, I hidden char claimed the first page of the game. You'd definitely believe I'm Ryan but you can surely see how it's reasonable to doubt you as Phyllis, right?
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@drafterman
Where did you lock in female?