Dark Crystal Mafia Day Phase 1

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Thoughts on Post 11? Does it seem like fishing to you after he voted for Supa?
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Re: Speed - I don't have an opinion on him based on his activity. His posts were good but could also be seen as opportunistic so eh.

Re: Oro's post - No. Seems a little weird that he focused on Press, but wasn't fishing IMO.
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@Pie:

Did you ever play with Oromagi aka levi_smiles on DDO?
I did not, no.

Yall think there’s 2 mafia or 3?
I agree with warren. 2 mafia with a potential 3rd party.

Thoughts on Post 11? Does it seem like fishing to you after he voted for Supa?
No, he allegedly always votes Supa first thing. At least he said so last game when he was Town, so I'll buy it. He deliberately adheres to sub-optimal strategies, acknowledging that. Which I just chalk up to noob behavior. It's much easier to just always be scummy than to always be towny.

The pressure on Press is valid, since he was inactive last game. I would have added to the pressure if I had arrived in time.

@Warren:

So based on his claim alone would you put Pie as the same as the vanilla claims, townier, or scummier?
Townier, actually. Vanilla is a much safer claim for Mafia since it can't be CC'd. It would be expected for a mafia forced to claim early would resort to a Vanilla claim for that reason (to avoid being CC'd). I don't like that multiple vanillas have claimed, since it narrows the PR pool, hence my question to AROSE.



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I think there were two vanillas but maybe I'm wrong
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Yeah. Press and AROSE both 'nilla
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Actually, and that's not a CC because multiple Vanillas is not uncommon. But it also means it's a big blind spot Mafia can try an hide in. Is Press Mafia and his partners told him to claim Vanilla? Is Press town and AROSE, seeing that there are Vanilla's in the game, jump on the chance to be lumped in?
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My issues is the characters. The miller claim is spot on. But Deet as a Vanilla? She has multiple powers and only grows in power after absorbing the sanctuary tree.

AROSE didn't even bother to character claim, which is basically the opposite  of what you should do if you're a vanilla.
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No, I know it isn't a counterclaim. I was referring to this:

I don't like that multiple vanillas have claimed, since it narrows the PR pool, hence my question to AROSE.
but just now realized you said you don't like. I misread it as "I don't think..."
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"with no pressure" So come out and say I got no role
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"I will say though that I am not a single character. I'm a group."

Give us one of them.

(and if you noticed I did char chaim but subtly so I can landmine someone like Oro last game)
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"with no pressure" So come out and say I got no role
Yeah, and why do that?

Give us one of them.
No, I don't think I will.

(and if you noticed I did char chaim but subtly so I can landmine someone like Oro last game)
What you did last game was cheap and contrary to the spirit of the game. It shouldn't be allowed (and I'll explicitly forbid it in my games). I don't even know what you're talking to "landmine" someone. All I remember is that it caused a great deal of confusion until you just came out and claimed.

As of now, you have no claimed your character. A claim is an explicit and unambiguous statement about what you are. Hints, clues, suggestions, implications could generously be called "soft claiming" but that's not what I'm talking about here. When I say "claim", I mean a hard claim.
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I will character claim. I am Naia, the main character of the story
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1), that's hypocritical

2). I don't see a wall of encrypted character. I said I did it like Oro.
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Could drafter be cult? I know TUF has done a cult setup before...
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"Group of characters" How many? 3, 4? When is group of characters a thing?
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I happened upon the game I was talking about while on a deep-dive for a non-game related reason. It was actually Danielle's game, we recruited TUF with my yakuza.

Scratch the role-changing talk.
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Why would he be? What basis do you have for that? I see absolutely no reasoning that supports that.

If TUF's done such setups before obviously we can't rule it out, but it almost makes me think you're more likely to be cult than drafter.
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Could drafter be cult? I know TUF has done a cult setup before...

Can you please enlighten me and show me the games?
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1), that's hypocritical
What's hypocritical?

2). I don't see a wall of encrypted character. I said I did it like Oro. 
You still haven't explained why you role claimed without any pressure.

"Group of characters" How many? 3, 4? When is group of characters a thing?
I didn't say I'm a "group of characters." I said "I'm a group."

VTL Drafterman
Cool. You voted me. Now what?

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I will character claim. I am Naia, the main character of the story
TUF has themed this game off of the entire Dark Crystal's universe, to cover the movie, TV, show and books. There is no "main character of the story." This reads like you ripped it off of the wiki.

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1). You still haven't explained why you role claimed without any pressure.
So people don;t have to ask, I already said it

2). I didn't say I'm a "group of characters." I said "I'm a group."
What's the difference? How are you a group? Everyone else is one dude.

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1). You still haven't explained why you role claimed without any pressure.
So people don;t have to ask, I already said it
Firstly, it doesn't explain why you would role claim, but not character claim.
Secondly, if you're vanilla, all you've done is narrow down the pool of priority night kill targets.

2). I didn't say I'm a "group of characters." I said "I'm a group."
What's the difference?
A character is a named individual. A group of characters would be more than one of those things. I'm not that.

How are you a group? Everyone else is one dude.
How would you know that?
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== Me
A-R-O-S-E -- "p u H" ~ Vanilla


== Role Verified Town

== Probably Town
SupaDudz -- Niai ~ Role DP2, Full role DP3. "My role requires me to look at towns roles and make a decision bc it's a 1x role, but it can change momentum. not vigil" Permanent effect
Warren42

== Neutral
Oromagi
ILikePie5 -- Rian (AoR) ~ Miller
WaterPheonix
PressF4Respect -- Deet ~ Vanilla
SpeedRace
Mharman

== Probably not town
Drafterman

== Probably Scum


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1). Firstly, it doesn't explain why you would role claim, but not character claim. Secondly, if you're vanilla, all you've done is narrow down the pool of priority night kill targets.
I think it makes sense, you don't, I guess that's a matter of opinion?

2). A character is a named individual. A group of characters would be more than one of those things. I'm not that.
I still don't get the difference. There's a bunch of clans but that's multiple characters. Are you an entire clan?

3). How would you know that?
That's off the 4 claims I have.
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1). Firstly, it doesn't explain why you would role claim, but not character claim. Secondly, if you're vanilla, all you've done is narrow down the pool of priority night kill targets.
I think it makes sense, you don't, I guess that's a matter of opinion?
Not really.

2). A character is a named individual. A group of characters would be more than one of those things. I'm not that.
I still don't get the difference. There's a bunch of clans but that's multiple characters. Are you an entire clan?
Not everyone in every clan consists of named characters. But no, I am not a clan. Yeah, I think there are some named characters that are members of my group, but it's not common.
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Wait, i'm thinking of Lannan's game my bad
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reads so far

TOWN
Oromagi
PressF4Respect    Deet       VANILLA
ILikePie5                Rian       MILLER
A-R-O-S-E              [p u H?] VANILLA
Supadudz               Naia       [not VIG]   
SpeedRace
Drafterman
Warren42
Mharman
WaterPheonix
SCUM

  • everybody has checked in- that's good
  • no big reveals so reads favor claimers and order joined


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You are a fucking idiot. Yes there is. The main protagonist is the main character.

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Well if it is a fact that they are the main protagonist, then there is no copying from the Wiki. And even so, why not fucking look at wiki you bonehead. It gives a better understanding at the game. You are a strong scum for not referencing the wiki