Dark Crystal Mafia Day Phase 1

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@Vader
So that I can have the opportunity use my power and try to get people to town confirm themselves 
How does your partial claim give you the opportunity to use your power over simply keeping quiet about it?


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Claimed
Press4 - Deet - Vanilla
ILikePie5 - Rian - Miller
A-R-O-S-E - ???? - Vanilla

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Oromagi
WaterPheonix
PressF4Respect
SpeedRace
Supadudz
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Mharman
Drafterman

UVC
Supa - 1/6 - oro
Mharman - 2/6 - drafter, Pie

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@drafterman
That’s true, it’s swingy. Still not sure that it wouldn’t be included though, swingy can still be balanced.

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@drafterman
Re: Mharman he’s essentially saying he isn’t going to be inactive this time (iirc he said he got grounded mid-last game or something) I don’t think that warrants a vote still since he checked in.

Re: Supa exactly that’s what I’m saying
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Pie probably town for the miller claim.
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@ILikePie5
Oh and as far as this: yes. I remember being mafia with a Yakuza in one of his games. Caught a decent amount of flak for it though.
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Actually... Maybe he was the person who we recruited and it was someone else's game.
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Ya I remember which game you were talking about. It was The Vampire Diaries Mafia. You were the GF and were lynched DP1 and TUF was recruited to be a member of the mafia by the Yakuza. Good times. I miss Khaos.

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Jesus chirst guys it's WaterPhoenix not WaterPheonix
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@ILikePie5
No... I was the yakuza
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@warren42
I don't know miller seems like a very good fake claim for mafia
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@warren42
Huh, warren this isn't really needed but I clicked on your profile accidentally and saw that you signed up on my b day.
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@drafterman
because

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@drafterman
He's fishing for other claims 'n stuff

"get people to town confirm themselves"
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-- Town

-- Prob town but one will be mafia at the end like last time
Supa
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-- Bad vibes

-- Scum
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@warren42
No... I was the yakuza

In TVD Mafia you were GF lol
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@A-R-O-S-E
And you're okay with that?
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@A-R-O-S-E
Why did you claim Vanilla with no pressure?
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I will say though that I am not a single character. I'm a group.
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If you’re right then that’s not the game I’m talking about.
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@WaterPhoenix
Yeah, it is. People usually don’t claim it as mafia though.

Usually.

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@warren42
That’s true, it’s swingy. Still not sure that it wouldn’t be included though, swingy can still be balanced.
Swingy can be balanced yes, for a minute. That's why it's a completely separate issue from balanced. Things that are swingy can very quickly and unpredictably become unbalanced, which is why they are a negative that mods try to avoid.


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Does anyone have opinions on Pie's miller claim or Supa's claim?

I feel like people are ignoring what are probably the two biggest points we should be looking at so far.
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@warren42
The miller claim is inscrutable. They can't be reliably investigated so we have no mechanical way of testing the claim. We can only rely on behavior. Historically, the miller role has been criticized for having the opposite its intended effect; it's intended to make someone appear guilty when they're innocent, but in use it actually confirms players. This was a result of mods using the role more and more making Mafia less likely to claim it lest they be CC'd.

It's less common now, making it more viable as a fake claim, but old habits die hard. You have to commit to it early, which also discourages Mafia from claiming it. But meta changes and sometimes fake claims are given. I don't know enough about the meta here, or Pie in particular to really judge.

If we're down to LYLO and he's still alive, it'll be more of an issue. If he shows up on some watcher report, or someone risks an investigation on them (tracker, role cop, etc.) then the discussion changes. Right not there really isn't anything we can do about it unless you suggest a lynch him on principle.

As far as Supa. I don't like the claim at all. To be honest, I don't like these cagey habits he appears to have picked up. Unless he's prepared to provide something solid to work with, I don't think people should place stock in him. If he isn't prepared to provide something solid to work with, he shouldn't have claimed at all. It does seem like a deliberate fishing attempt, but he's a noob so that doesn't necessarily make him scum.

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Did you ever play with Oromagi aka levi_smiles on DDO?
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@drafterman
So based on his claim alone would you put Pie as the same as the vanilla claims, townier, or scummier?
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Yall think there’s 2 mafia or 3?
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@ILikePie5
Probably 2, maybe a 3P survivor or something
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@warren42
How do you feel about Speed? He’s been a little less active in this game than he normally is. Last time it happened, he was scum