Is there a camera that Schiff doesn't lie to?
the impeachment inquiry is a witch hunt
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@ILikePie5
He claimed there was quid pro quo, and according to the released document there wasn’t.
Have you actually read the whistleblower report or are you repeating talking points you heard on Fox news. Please find the part of the report where he said there was a quid pro quo?
Here is a link to an annotated version of it.
Oh so now Trump told someone to do it. This conspiracy theory and based on zero fact.
The white house has acknowledged that members of the administration spoke with the ukranians before the call. trump said on national television that Pence had several calls with them. The ukranian president didn't seem at all surprised he was being asked to interfere in an election. Texts between state department officials confirm they thought that this is what was happening. It is not proven definitively that there was a quid pro quo yet. But as I keep telling you, if there is than that is the 2nd crime. Asking was a crime all on it's own.
So you deny the fact that Trump was being watched and the fact that the warrants were funded by the DNC fo do that? There’s congressional testimony to the contrary.
No one denies that law enforcement does it's job to investigate crimes. The idea that this is somehow a conspiracy against trump is a conspiracy theory.
The government changed so a review was being done to ensure the money would be used wisely and not given to someone who shouldn’t have it.
Trump has no power to do that. The money was approved by congress. He couldn't legally stop the aid being given. Also, White house staff lied about why the money was being held up as well. If there was a legitimate reason to hold up the money, it wouldn't have been a secret. They hid it because it was part of a crime.
Have you even watched the video. He was boasting about how HE got this done.
Correct. He went to Ukraine and carried through on something that a large number of people agreed needed to be done (including republicans. He did get it done. But pretending that this was someone started by him is a lie.
You can say, oh he should be fired. That’s an opinion grounded in possible fact. But you can’t withhold aid and demand they stop investigation
1) no one said to stop an investigation. they got rid of him because he wasn't investigating
2) America uses it's aid money to influence other countries all the time. You can argue that the US shouldn't do this, but to pretend like every single president doesn't use it this way would be a lie.
Yes, he can be charged via Impeachment and convicted by the jury in the Senate followed by criminal prosecution after removal.
Impeachment is not a criminal proceeding. He is not being charged with a crime, he is having articles of impeachment brought against him. This means that no justice department official can charge trump with any crime for any reason. So even though there are grounds to charge trump with crimes prosecutors cannot do so until trump leaves office.
No they haven’t. There has not been an official Impeachment vote in the House.
That's like saying the jury hasn't reached a verdict so the trial hasn't started. The moment pelosi announced the official impeachment investigation, that was the start of the impeachment proceedings. They will investigate and write the articles of impeachment. Then phase 2 is the vote on the floor. Trump would at that point be impeached. Then there is a trial in the senate. If found guilty he would be removed from office.
Pelosi is a coward. She knows Democrats are done if they vote for impeachment because this won’t go well for them back home in the districts of moderate Dems.
I agree Pelosi is a coward. But her hands are tied now. She has crossed the Rubicon. Trump is guilty of at least 1 crime for certain. Which means that the impeachment inquiry will certainly find grounds to impeach. If she then doesn't bring that to a vote, she is finished. She will have to carry this through to the end. Trump will be impeached.
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@HistoryBuff
So naive. None of these books written by politicians seem to sell well when they are out of power. Do their creative brains just suddenly turn off?I don't see how lots of people wanting to read a book...
So strange.
Heaven forbid political supporters, and crony grafters are using books and speeches to get around campaign finance laws...
After all...it's SUCH a fascinating read!
I like how this book lecturing us on greed is only 14 dollars. wew!
It is pure naivety to believe people are buying this Politician's book to be entertained or enlightened. They are clearly supporting a person in power for the free stuff he can give them. None of this money needs to be reported to the election commission.
All politicians funnel crony corrupt money through speeches and books and charity foundations. It's a very old game you apparently have not heard of.
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@Stephen
Schiff lied in front of the camera and then fled to avoid questions from a democratic public.
This is so obviously partisan fan fiction.
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@Greyparrot
So naive. None of these books written by politicians seem to sell well when they are out of power. Do their creative brains just suddenly turn off?
Politicians are most relevant when they are in office or shortly thereafter. If they have been out of office for years why would anyone care what they think? It isn't that they stop being creative, it is that they stop being relevant. Bernie's book came out shortly after the 2016 election. Alot of people were very interested in what he had to say after a terrible candidate managed to take the dem nomination and then lose to an idiot.
It is pure naivety to believe people are buying this Politician's book to be entertained or enlightened. They are clearly supporting a person in power for the free stuff he can give them.
Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?
All politicians funnel crony corrupt money through speeches and books and charity foundations. It's a very old game you apparently have not heard of.
Many politicians do that. Bernie doesn't take corporate money and he wants to ban politicians doing those practices. i understand you are jaded and accept that politicians are corrupt. But that is no reason to not want to fight against that corruption. The reason those practices are so widespread is that the mainstream politicians all like doing it. That is why we need sanders, a candidate who doesn't need those things to win, to get elected so we can finally get change.
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@HistoryBuff
That is why we need sanders, a candidate who doesn't need those things to win, to get elected so we can finally get change.
Again, all it takes is to stare at a 14 dollar price tag on a book lecturing us about how evil greed is to understand the problem.
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@Greyparrot
Again, all it takes is to stare at a 14 dollar price tag on a book lecturing us about how evil greed is to understand the problem.
The issue is considerably more complex than that. Greed is not in and of itself evil. However, if that greed does not have limits it causes people to do evil things. Greed might make you want to steal your neighbor's car. There needs to be laws to prevent people doing that.
Greed drives corporations to take actions that are not in the best interest of their workers or the country. We need laws to make sure that greed is also kept within limits so that they do not take harmful actions in pursuit of profit. Republicans want to make sure there are as few rules as possible so that corporate greed is completely unchecked. This has led to the destruction of the middle class and the greatest income inequality in modern american history.
So yes, alot of people want to buy a $14 book to learn more about the details of the problem and how we can go about fixing it.
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@HistoryBuff
I don't need to send a person 14 dollars to explain to me why greed is evil any more than I need to send the Pope 14 dollars to explain why greed is a sin, and why God needs my money.
There is a word describing people that do that, and a word describing people that believe them.
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@Greyparrot
I don't need to send a person 14 dollars to explain to me why greed is evil any more than I need to send the Pope 14 dollars to explain why greed is a sin, and why God needs my money.
So listening/reading to an expert in a specific field and thinking about whether or not you agree with their points is somehow religion to you? You're not big on thinking about stuff are you? You just go along with whatever your local republican tells you to?
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@HistoryBuff
Nah, I am just skeptical of people who say things they don't do.
Actions are kind of important. (or inaction in the case of Bernie)
If greed was so bad, then that "free education" shouldn't have a 14 dollar price tag on it.
Incidentally, that is why Trump is so different. He forces you to look at his results, not his sermons.
Mexico has done more lately to stop illegal immigrants at the border than Congress.
The problem aint Trump.
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@Greyparrot
Actions are kind of important. (or inaction in the case of Bernie)
What inaction do you mean? He has been fighting hard for the things he believes in for decades.
If greed was so bad then that "free education" shouldn't have a 14 dollar price tag on it.
1) I just said greed is not inherently bad. Unrestricted greed is bad.
2) Bernie's been putting his ideas out for free for years. Anyone can go through his statements and interviews and get lots of information for free. He decided to put work into putting his thoughts and ideas in one place. There is nothing wrong with selling that. it's not like he has hidden any of the information behind a pay wall.
What inaction do you mean? He has been fighting hard for the things he believes in for decades.
And what exactly has he fixed in all those decades?
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@Greyparrot
And what exactly has he fixed in all those decades?
As I keep pointing out, the system is corrupt. Neither the democrats nor the republicans want to fix it. I said he had been fighting hard for change. The fact that corrupt politicians are often capable of preventing that change does not mean that he didn't fight for the people. It means other politicians refused to fight for the people.
If he were president, that is the moment that he would have the power to bring about real change. So the authenticity of the candidate is critical. Do you believe the candidate will do what they say they will. For bernie sanders, he has been on message for decades so 100% yes. For someone like Biden, hell no. For someone like warren, who knows.
But we have shifted pretty far from the original topic, which is that donald trump is getting his ass impeached.
The latest update isn't likely to help with that. He has gone full crazy and is denying that congress has the authority to impeach him. Interfering in an impeachment inquiry, is itself, an impeachable offense.
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@HistoryBuff
that is the moment that he would have the power to bring about real change.
No, he won't the Congress is the source of that problem, not the president.
It's truly phenomenal what Trump has been able to do the improve the country with the limited powers he has with a corrupt Congress, but those changes won't last out his 2 terms. Neither would anything Sanders could do. The President can only slap bandaids on the leaking and sinking Congress ship. A ship Bernie has been a crew of for decades.
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@HistoryBuff
The latest update isn't likely to help with that. He has gone full crazy and is denying that congress has the authority to impeach him. Interfering in an impeachment inquiry, is itself, an impeachable offense.
Trump is trolling Pelosi to hold the vote so they will lose the House in 2020.
Stable genius.
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@Greyparrot
Trump is trolling Pelosi to hold the vote so they will lose the House in 2020.
Oh yes, committing a crime to troll someone. he must be a genius. Impeding an impeachment inquiry is an impeachable offense.
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@HistoryBuff
Stop flapping the gums Pelosi and vote.
She won't.
Either Pelosi doesn't bring a vote sealing a Trump presidential win.
Or she brings the vote to the floor sealing a house flip.
You know which one Pelosi is going to choose.
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@Greyparrot
Recent polls suggest the majority of Americans now support impeachment. Be careful what you wish for.
But impeding an impeachment inquiry is also, on it's own, an impeachable offense. That brings us up to 2 impeachable offenses he has publicly admitted to.
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@HistoryBuff
Recent polls suggest the majority of Americans now support impeachment. Be careful what you wish for.
I am fairly confident polls have no clue what independents want.
If they did, those 30 house districts would not have voted for Trump.
You do know where the "WTF I hate Trump now" meme came from, right?
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@Greyparrot
"Problem is, you're not supposed to do comedy when you are conducting an investigation." --- Well, its called "Stupid Watergate" for a reason.
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@FaustianJustice
Thanks, Carl Bernstein. What ISN'T worse than watergate? Cold McDonald fries?
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@Greyparrot
Most things aren't worse than water gate. Nixon abused his power to try to commit crimes and then again to try to cover them up.Thanks, Carl Bernstein. What ISN'T worse than watergate? Cold McDonald fries?
But trump also abused his power to commit crimes and his now using his power to try to cover it up. At best it is just as bad as water gate. At worst, it is much worse. At least Nixon didn't drag other countries into american elections, he was using americans to do it. Giving foreign countries influence over US elections is arguably much worse.
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@HistoryBuff
You don't understand the meme.
Every time the left frogmarched out a potential article of impeachment, they also sock puppeted out Bernstein to "officially verify" it is worse than watergate before the facts fall apart. When everything is worse than watergate, nothing is.
It's pure "Hitlerism" where if you want to convince gullible dramatic people, you say ridiculous things like "x is worse than Hitler"
So who on the right ISN'T worse than Hitler?
But don't let exaggeration get in the way of reality.
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@n8nrgmi
the impeachment inquiry is a witch hunt
Is Trumpy a witch? Does a male witch on earth exist?
.."lets go grab some strange womans p____y, aka cr__ch"....
Then lets lie about paying off those women.
Then lets shakedown Ukraines president.
Oh gee what else do male witches do that I'm forgetting.
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@ebuc
You would not have been born if your dad refused to grab the pussy.
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@Greyparrot
You don't understand the meme.
I agree that alot of people go to the extremes. But this is eerily similar to Watergate. And I would agree that it is worse. A president committed a crime and is actively abusing the power of his office to try to win an election. That description would describe water gate and the current trump scandal.
But don't let exaggeration get in the way of reality.
I'm not exaggerating. I am accurately describing the situation.
You can't get rich in politics unless you're a crook.
— Harry Truman
Trump lost money in Politics, so he is the only honest one there.
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@Greyparrot
Are you kidding? He is diverting millions in government funds to his hotels and resorts. He is taking in massive amounts of money from foreign governments that dump money into his companies to buy influence with him.Trump lost money in Politics, so he is the only honest one there.
He is corrupt and he is getting richer selling access to the US government.
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@HistoryBuff
Sorry bud, I trust the biased crony MSM over your opinions. Nearly all of them were cackling with glee over the billions of net worth he lost by running for president.
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@Greyparrot
That sentence makes no sense. You say they are biased, then say you trust them. Either they are trustworthy or they aren't.Sorry bud, I trust the biased crony MSM over your opinions.
Nearly all of them were cackling with glee over the billions of net worth he lost by running for president.
Considering Trump doesn't have billions in net worth, that cannot possibly be true.