the impeachment inquiry is a witch hunt

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Nah fam. It's a clip saying Schiff screwed up and meant to send this other whistleblower goon in first.
1) there is no evidence schiff "sent" them to do anything, ever. 

2) why would it matter? Everything the whistle blower alleged in his report has been proven true at this point. This is just another round of "look over there!" where politicians try to distract people. The problem is Trump committed a crime. Not who reported which aspects of the crime in which order.

No matter how many times you try to redirect this thread to look at someone else, I will keep reminding you that trump committed a crime. Potentially, he might have committed multiple crimes. Republicans love to tell people they are the party of law and order as long as it is poor people or democrats they can point at as having committed the crime. As soon as it is someone on their side, suddenly it's terrible that laws are actually enforced.   
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What's sad is that whistleblowing used to be the purview of journalists, but there are no journalists in the media anymore.
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What's sad is that whistleblowing used to be the purview of journalists, but there are no journalists in the media anymore.
I agree at least partially. It is sad that the majority of media outlets are heavily biased. But I'm guessing you don't actually care about that since the clips you have provided are all from fox news, which is essentially just the propaganda wing of the republican party. At least places like CNN or MSNBC will occasionally call out people on the democratic side who are out of line. Any "news" outlet that will let hannity say the insane stuff he gets away with is not a real news outlet. 

On the other hand, we are talking about documents that the white house put in a special computer for heavily classified material. If anyone leaked this info to a journalist they would spend the rest of their lives in prison. We desperately need laws protecting whistle blowers who can let people know if crimes are being committed and covered up. 

But again, how we found out about trump's crimes is a side show to distract from the main issue. The fact that he is committing them should remain the highest priority. 
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are all from fox news, which is essentially just the propaganda wing of the republican party. 


You mean the deep state.
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I don't know what you are trying to say. Are you meaning Chris Wallace is the deep state?
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Im confused, they’re impeaching over a crime that did not occur. You and I both read the transcript, there’s no quid pro quo. Zelensky has said on multiple occasions he was never pressured. Meanwhile Joe Biden is on tape praising the fact that he got a prosecuter who was looking into his son’s company fired by refusing aid to the Ukraine. It’s a double standard nothing burger. And the fact that Schiff’s staff talked to the whistleblower beforehand is extremely suspicious. Even the IG said there was a place on the form where it said to disclose congressional contact but it was left blank. Gets you thinking doesn’t it?

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It doesn’t matter. 40% of the electorate will support Trump no matter what. This whole whistleblower stuff stinks of a Democratic hitjob after their failed Russia investigation. It just serves as fuel for Trump and his base.

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You and I both read the transcript
You haven't read a transcript. You read a memo. If you look at page one it explicitly says that that was not a word for word transcript. You'll notice alot of "..." all over it. That is areas where they cut out text they didn't want people to see. So you have no idea if there was a quid pro quo in that call. 

there’s no quid pro quo.
 1) You don't know that since we don't have a transcript.
 2) the reporting suggests that it was made clear to the ukranians before the call that investigating Biden was going to be a requirement for the call to happen. It is still entirely possible the quid pro quo will be proven. 
 3) and most importantly. you don't need a quid pro quo for it to be a crime. It's kind of like saying "I didn't murder them with a gun, i used a baseball bat. Therefore there was no crime". Trump asking for "a favor" was a crime all on it's own. The quid pro quo, if proven, would be another separate crime. 

Zelensky has said on multiple occasions he was never pressured.
Trump is still president and Zelensky still needs US aid. He has nothing to gain by saying trump was pressuring him but he has alot to lose. 

Meanwhile Joe Biden is on tape praising the fact that he got a prosecuter who was looking into his son’s company fired by refusing aid to the Ukraine.
No he's not. He's on tape saying he got a corrupt prosecutor fired when that corrupt prosecutor had ended the investigation of the company biden's son at. This actually prompted another investigation of the company. So Biden actually helped cause an investigation of that company, he did not stop one. 

40% of the electorate will support Trump no matter what.
This is deeply disturbing. It is now established trump has committed 1 crime and very likely a 2nd. The fact that 40% of the US population might vote for a man who is known to commit crimes in office does not bode well for America's democracy. 
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This is deeply disturbing. It is now established trump has committed 1 crime and very likely a 2nd. The fact that 40% of the US population might vote for a man who is known to commit crimes in office does not bode well for America's democracy. 

You can blame plenty of politicians for that.
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There's a reason why Republicans want a vote on the House floor and Pelosi does not.


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You can blame plenty of politicians for that.
I agree that politics has been broken for awhile. But that does not excuse people choosing to support a man who actively uses his office to commit crimes.  If you want change I would suggest supporting a candidate that actually wants to clean up corruption and not just target the corruption of specific rivals. 

If you actually cared about that you would support warren or Sanders. But I doubt that you actually do. You would just like to deflect from the fact that you support a criminal. 
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If you actually cared about that you would support warren or Sanders. But I doubt that you actually do. You would just like to deflect from the fact that you support a criminal. 

He ain’t a criminal. If he was Democrats would’ve impeached by now. Socialism is a cancer, hope you know that.
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Sure it does. When everyone is a criminal, noone is a criminal.

Just like when everyone is a racist, noone is a racist.
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That's so naive of you to think Bernie or Warren have not done criminal things.
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The whistleblower allegation is also second hand yet you choose to believe him over two first hand sources.

1) Its a compiled account of various people, one of them not being the whistleblower.
2) This is false, Zelensky didn’t even know aid was under administrative review
3) This is part of the Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia Investigation which has roots in the Ukraine with the DNC email server as well. Remember when Trump claimed he was wiretapped? Turns out y’all were wrong and he was. If this doesn’t strike you as an abuse of power by the Obama Administration to help the Clinton’s you’re selectively tuning out corruption in the government. There’s a plethora of evidence that shows the FISA warrants used to obtain the warrant were funded by the DNC.

Zelensky has nothing to lose. He’d get the aid no matter what cause the matter lies in the hands of Congress not the President. Constitution 101

Who is Biden to judge whether the prosecuter is corrupt or not. He has no right to influence politics and justicial sovereignty of Ukraine. He withheld funds cause he thought he was in charge and had something the Ukrainians wanted which is a clear abuse of power. As for the investigation being continued, this is blatantly false.

You think Trump has committed a crime. He hasn’t been convicted of a crime. If Democrats believed they have Trump they would’ve impeached him by now, but Pelosi refuses to. Why? 
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Bernie claimed breadlines were great. REEEEEE


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Sure it does. When everyone is a criminal, noone is a criminal.

Just like when everyone is a racist, noone is a racist.
Even if I bought into the premise that everyone is a criminal, this still wouldn't make sense. A guy who doesn't pay his parking tickets and an axe murderer are both criminals. they are in no way equal. If they were the only 2 candidates, then the lesser of 2 evils is still preferable. 

That's so naive of you to think Bernie or Warren have not done criminal things.
1) such as?
2) even if they have, they have active fought to fight against corruption. Trump has wallowed in it his whole life. From working with the mob to hiring a bunch of criminals to work in his administration. He is super corrupt. Warren and Sanders both want to fight against corruption in politics. Deciding to accept and actively support corruption because you don't think anyone will ever fix it is a self defeating attitude. Nothing will ever get fixed if you don't do anything to fix it. 
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2) even if they have, they have active fought to fight against corruption.

This is also insanely naive of you. Politicians don't make all that money on their salary.
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1) Its a compiled account of various people, one of them not being the whistleblower.
Even if that were true, so what? Everything in the whistleblower complaint has already been confirmed by the white house. Even if that information was 2nd hand, it all turned out to be true so what does it matter?

2) This is false, Zelensky didn’t even know aid was under administrative review
That is unclear still. We don't know what trump said in that call because we don't have a transcript yet. There were also other calls made to ukranian officials before trump's call. Even if trump didn't say it personally, it is entirely possible he had one of his lackies make clear to them in a separate call that they needed to do Trump a favor to get their money. 

This is part of the Durham investigation into the origins of the Russia Investigation which has roots in the Ukraine with the DNC email server as well. Remember when Trump claimed he was wiretapped? Turns out y’all were wrong and he was. If this doesn’t strike you as an abuse of power by the Obama Administration to help the Clinton’s you’re selectively tuning out corruption in the government. There’s a plethora of evidence that shows the FISA warrants used to obtain the warrant were funded by the DNC.
This has nothing to do with the topic at all. It is also a conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. 

Zelensky has nothing to lose. He’d get the aid no matter what cause the matter lies in the hands of Congress not the President. Constitution 101
You would hope so. But then why did trump withhold the money? This also relies on the republicans actually siding with Ukraine over trump. If trump decided he didn't want to give them the money, he would find some loophole to withhold it. And even if he couldn't stop the money forever, he could make sure the republicans never passed anything else to help Ukraine. Crossing trump could cost him american support for the remainder of Trump's term, which would be a big thing to lose. He has motive to stay on trump's good side, and nothing to gain by crossing him.

Who is Biden to judge whether the prosecuter is corrupt or not.
No one. Biden didn't make the decision. It was a policy supported by the EU, the UN, the UK, oh and it had bipartisan support from both democrats and republicans in the US. Biden was just the one that actually went to Ukraine and carried it out. It wasn't Biden's idea and he didn't make the decision.

You think Trump has committed a crime. He hasn’t been convicted of a crime.
He literally cannot be charged or convicted while he is in office. There are likely charges pending for him when he leaves office though. 

If Democrats believed they have Trump they would’ve impeached him by now, but Pelosi refuses to. Why? 
1) they have. The impeachment has already started. that is what this topic is about. 
2) The reason it took so long is that Pelosi was afraid that impeaching trump might have a political cost and she is a coward. 
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This is also insanely naive of you. Politicians don't make all that money on their salary.
What money? Bernie sanders became a millionaire recently because of the profits from a book he wrote. Before that he was not wealthy. What money are you talking about?
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"The book" lol. If any of these politicians wrote a book while out of power they wouldn't get nearly as much money. It's all a front to funnel funds to them.

Same thing as speeches. 

Clinton's price per speech went from 300,000k  to 25k as soon as she was out of power. You don't really think these people have anything THAT important to say/write...do you?

How naive.

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Even if that were true, so what? Everything in the whistleblower complaint has already been confirmed by the white house. Even if that information was 2nd hand, it all turned out to be true so what does it matter?

He claimed there was quid pro quo, and according to the released document there wasn’t. White House has not confirmed quid pro quo. And if you think “I’m concerend about Biden and the DNC cause Durham is looking into it, maybe you could look into this” is asking for political help and quid pro quo, we merely have a difference of opinion on semantics

That is unclear still. We don't know what trump said in that call because we don't have a transcript yet. There were also other calls made to ukranian officials before trump's call. Even if trump didn't say it personally, it is entirely possible he had one of his lackies make clear to them in a separate call that they needed to do Trump a favor to get their money. 
Oh so now Trump told someone to do it. This conspiracy theory and based on zero fact. You’re putting up a bunch of what if questions that are not grounded in any type of fact whatsoever. Anyone can say “oh I think so and so said this and that” but the burden of proof is on you to prove it did happen and until then the status quo is supreme.

This has nothing to do with the topic at all. It is also a conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. 
So you deny the fact that Trump was being watched and the fact that the warrants were funded by the DNC fo do that? There’s congressional testimony to the contrary. Stop listening to CNN and look at the objective facts.

You would hope so. But then why did trump withhold the money? This also relies on the republicans actually siding with Ukraine over trump. If trump decided he didn't want to give them the money, he would find some loophole to withhold it. And even if he couldn't stop the money forever, he could make sure the republicans never passed anything else to help Ukraine. Crossing trump could cost him american support for the remainder of Trump's term, which would be a big thing to lose. He has motive to stay on trump's good side, and nothing to gain by crossing him.

I answered this question earlier and so did Trump. The government changed so a review was being done to ensure the money would be used wisely and not given to someone who shouldn’t have it. And once again you come up with what ifs. The fact is you think Zelensky is lying and there’s no objective way to prove that. Your analysis lies a assumptions and what ifs, not facts.

No one. Biden didn't make the decision. It was a policy supported by the EU, the UN, the UK, oh and it had bipartisan support from both democrats and republicans in the US. Biden was just the one that actually went to Ukraine and carried it out. It wasn't Biden's idea and he didn't make the decision.
Have you even watched the video. He was boasting about how HE got this done. And once again, neither the US, nor the U.N., nor the UK have any authority in matters of Ukraine. If this were the case it would be a gross violation of the sovereignty of a nation. You can say, oh he should be fired. That’s an opinion grounded in possible fact. But you can’t withhold aid and demand they stop investigation (they did, the investigation wasn’t restarted)

He literally cannot be charged or convicted while he is in office. There are likely charges pending for him when he leaves office though. 
Yes, he can be charged via Impeachment and convicted by the jury in the Senate followed by criminal prosecution after removal.

1) they have. The impeachment has already started. that is what this topic is about. 
2) The reason it took so long is that Pelosi was afraid that impeaching trump might have a political cost and she is a coward. 
1) No they haven’t. There has not been an official Impeachment vote in the House. This is an impeachment inquiry, short for we don’t know anything and it’s possible this could be a Nothing burger but to please out base we’re going to do it

2) Pelosi is a coward. She knows Democrats are done if they vote for impeachment because this won’t go well for them back home in the districts of moderate Dems.
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What do you think about rumors saying Hillary’s gonna get in?
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Well, she sure could use the money. She only made 153 million in speeches while she was in power. I mean, what politician can live on those breadcrumbs? Especially a great orator as Hillary....
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2) Pelosi is a coward. She knows Democrats are done if they vote for impeachment because this won’t go well for them back home in the districts of moderate Dems.

30 seats up for flipping in districts Trump won.

I'd love to see those 30 seats vote for impeachment.

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Oh Hilary would be a blessing. Progressives wouldn’t support her and moderates hate her. Win win scenario

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Also, it's amazing how these super-talented writers/orators also manage to make really good investments in the stock market while never actually losing money on investments.

Trump may be the only honest politician out there that lost money on investments like a normal person does from time to time when they don't have access to insider trading....

Obama is now worth 20+ million dollars (that we are allowed to know about)...like WTF.
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It's so funny how career politicians are quick to make fun of Trump going bankrupt, but if you deep google search, you won't find more than a few career politicians losing money on investments.

Strange, isn't it? I mean, how can nearly all of career politicians be THAT good at investments?

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Ive been saying it. He’s one of us. Says what’s on his mind. Number 1 thing I love about him. Something I can definitely relate to
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"The book" lol. If any of these politicians wrote a book while out of power they wouldn't get nearly as much money. It's all a front to funnel funds to them.
I don't see how lots of people wanting to read a book is somehow a front. That is popular demand. It's the foundation of our economic system.

Clinton's price per speech went from 300,000k  to 25k as soon as she was out of power.
Clinton is as corrupt as the rest of the politicians. That's why we need a candidate who doesn't take corporate money, like say Sanders. 

30 seats up for flipping in districts Trump won. I'd love to see those 30 seats vote for impeachment.
Most of the people in those seats are already in favor of impeachment. And since the majority of americans now support impeachment that is a good thing.