Let it Go!

Asks people to put aside their conceptions about Christianity and scriptures to discuss the idea of God

Ok...what's the proposition?

Sure, I am, so long as Im not required to assume god just to have the discussion about god.

No. That is not a fair statement. I personally think religion is unnecessary. Once we realize religion doesnt justify anything, we'll (hopefully) be able to more easily address innate human deficiencies that are often masked by it. That being said, I don't hate religion. In some places religious institutions are the community. Until a viable alternative exists, hating religion is to hate community itself in many instances.

In short, "atheists hate religion" is a trope that isn't necessarily true.

I'm interested in believing as many true things (and as few false things) as possible.

I don't want to believe things other people dubiously hold to be true - that's a good way to end up believing in false things!

To be honest, I don't know what people mean when they say "God". Sometimes, an individual's religious beliefs help narrow a definition down

- and there is typically a lot of (legitimate) baggage that comes with this understanding. When someone wants to talk about "God" outside of a religious context, it tends to set off alarm bells for me.

Hardly anyone identifies as a deist, so why would so many people want to advocate deism unless they simply wanted to sanitize their beliefs to make them less objectionable?

So, let's ask the burning question here - are you REALLY advocating deism... No heaven, no hell, no 'revealed' deity, no personal god?

I have not denied evidence. I encourage you to re-read my words. If you can show evidence for god, I'd be very interested in it. If

then intellectual honesty would be admitting subjective evidence without verification is (at best) evidence for one.

No. That is not a fair statement.

Okay I concede and apologize maybe we could move forward anyways, it's just what I observe most of the time, it's just a general attitude mainly. Perhaps hate was the wrong word to use sorry about that.

Spirituality is all about observations, and of course application. This is your nature and origins, there's nothing that will remain unknown to you. It's just a matter of understanding how to connect with that transcendent reality, be willing to look fairly at all sides and consider. I help you to consider things by engaging in either a discussion or an argument. Spirituality has a science behind it just like the physical world. This isn't about beliefs or imagination there is an objective reality involved, if you understand the difference in the nature of it. In other words this wouldn't be about the physical sense perception.

Hardly anyone identifies as a deist, so why would so many people want to advocate deism unless they simply wanted to sanitize their beliefs to make them less objectionable?

Why don't you ask me what my beliefs are instead of assuming what they are? Let me describe it not you.

So, let's ask the burning question here - are you REALLY advocating deism... No heaven, no hell, no 'revealed' deity, no personal god?

God can't be impersonal, God is within all of life and awareness, how could there be no personal element? if you are personal so is the Creator. You can't be something that the Creator is not, whatever you have the Creator has and much more.

I have not denied evidence. I encourage you to re-read my words. If you can show evidence for god, I'd be very interested in it. If

We're talking about the evidence that correlates with the nature of God, spirituality, religions, NDE's, OBE's, spiritual encounters ect ect all fall under the category which indicates a proposition true. We're talking about more evidence for spirituality than any other topic.

let's get a little deeper in this topic, give me what you got, questions, arguments or ideas about God and the soul that have no relevance to the Bible.

How about starting with proving there is a creator?

I'll wait.

How would we know anything about God?

First thing I notice is that you mean something different than I do by "spirituality". For me, spirituality describes a hyper-awareness of some aspect of the world and the sublime feeling it spawns. A 'spiritual experience' can be derived from a hike in the mountains, wind through the hair, a moving piece of music, art that begs for attention, a child's carefree laugh, etc (triggers vary). There is nothing in my spirituality that calls for a reality beyond detection, but rather it is realized when a particular part of known reality is utterly and blissfully captivating for a moment in time. It is wonderful and ...natural.

If there was some proof (while there is plenty of evidence)

You're going to be waiting until your dead lol. 

it's an interpretation of what we see in scientific studies, the propositions of religions and testimonials which of course includes NDE's. Too much to go ever in one post so I'll let you decide if the OP interests you or not, if not sweet dreams.

I've tried this before but didn't get a good response but let's try it again.

Pretend the Bible doesn't exist 

Didn't do too well this time around either.

But your problem is, is that the bible does exist and its teaching are read and taken on board, if not followed to the letter  by millions of Christians. This is nothing new. The ancients used to do exactly the same thing as Christians do today: swoon and kneel and submit and pray to something that isn't there.