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@bsh1
And Disc tricked me into it. I can only blame myself though, I let myself be deceived. Not going to happen again.
Pokemon Mafia D2
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If I can be protected in the night phase somehow please do it.
From DP1, Mhar
Willing to bet there are 3 scum... but some town PRs to compensate for the high scum-town ratio.
I don't think that's a super high scum-town ratio. That's the ratio it should be with 12 players.
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@Greyparrot
Okay. I am posting as I read, so not all comments are going to be up-to-date.
From DP, Disc
There was an 8 min gap between mharm and club voting. Clubs post was not that long so I doubt it took him 8 kind to make it.
On the one hand, I agree. On the other, not everyone is refreshing the page constantly. It's not like people were piling on him not to VTNL. So, a simply lack of situational awareness could explain his hammer. I don't really see it as suspicious.
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@bsh1
That DP1 quote should prove me town. I skimmed the OP and missed that Warren said it was a 9v3. If I were scum I would’ve immediately known there were 3 scum and I wouldn’t be skimming or even reading the OP. That’s something I didn’t even think about until now.
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@Mharman
Can you put that into different words?
Alright, starting to catch up with the DP2 posts.
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@bsh1
In DP1 I skimmed the OP and made the aforementioned quote. If Iwere scum I would’ve never made that quote since I wouldn’t have initially missed that warren said it were a 9v3
Wylted was poisoned, which to me indicates the presence of a poisoner. Killing roles, like vigilantes, tend to be town. But any town poisoner should not be targeting people willy-nilly. They should be targeting people that the town scumreads, and they should probably be allowing some POE to take place to increase the probability that they will make more accurate hits.
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@bsh1
Instead, I initially missed and had now knowledge on the setup, but quickly figured it out on my own, hence the quote.
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@Mharman
The quote in post 93 is clearly not exculpatory. Any mafioso cognizant of their responsibilities in that role and who had not, themselves, read the DP OP would have said that. For instance, imagine I am mafia, but I don't know that warren has said there are 3 mafiosos because I didn't read the initial posts carefully. So, even though that I know there are 3 mafiosos, I don't know that town knows this, and so I might still phrase my post as you did. Hopefully that's not worded to confusingly...
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Eh...Seemed like Mhar. He can be overenthusiastic...That's maybe not the right word, but hopefully you get my meaning.Seemed a bit overdramatic, almost staged, didn't it?
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@Greyparrot
Let's hear from wylted for sure, I'm guessing Scum team poisoned him?
Why do you say that?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So is this your way of admitting that you hammered the VTNL intentionally?
This.
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@Mharman
If you're referring to this, then I don't see how you can really say that Disc did anything to "calm your fears."Disc had convinced me to VTNL. He calmed my fears about a scum hammer. But then Club hammered and my fears had come true.
I liked your push back on the complete nonsense about VTNLing coming from Grey and Disc in DP1, but then you seemed to go along with their logic too easily. It's like the push back was superficial.
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@Mharman
I think Disc is scum because he and Grey came up with the VTNL idea, a stupid idea which I fell for. Being as experienced as he is, he should’ve known his idea was stupid but he tricked me into helping it along. Second, he still interrogated Club after he claimed Chancey the poison doc.
Gah, this post is driving me crazy. I agree with the topline analysis that Disc and Grey are skating by too easily here, but the notion that they "tricked" Mhar is utter nonsense. It reads as a lame attempt to shift the lynch focus, which is scummy (it's motivated more out of self-preservation than genuine scum-hunting).
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@bsh1
It’s true though. I really did believe that it was a bad idea. And Disc really did convince me otherwise. And then my initial doubts about the idea were proven right.
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@Mharman
We need your role specifically.
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@bsh1
Post 39 of DP1 was where he convinced me.
I wanna reread discs posts. Right now I think Pie and disc are on the scum team and mharman possibly as well.
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@Wylted
Universal Backup. I inherit the role of the first townie PR to die.
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@Wylted
Why is it even possible that both Disc and I are on the scum team? That’d be way too hard of a bus to even be possible.
Post 9 disc says this
VTL club
Did we not agree on this yesterday?
Coming into the day, with a plan instead of seeing where things stand is typical of scum and almost exclusive to them on dp2
Right now, my mind is bouncing between two potential scum possibilities. There is, of course, the possibility that Mhar is scum--a possibility which has been articulated here previously.
But there is also the possibility, I think, that Disc and/or Grey are scum. Both argued for VTNLing on DP1 with logic that was obviously flawed, and neither made any real effort to put pressure on the noobs not to bring the vote count to L1 (which risked the hammer). Indeed, Disc seemed to embrace this strategy when it was clearly anti-town. Then this DP, they seem to be rushing the lynch on Mhar, taking advantage of noob votes to build a wagon. Longer DPs always benefit town because they increase the probability that players will scumslip and because they maximize the opportunities for town to scumhunt and coordinate.
So, the bottom line for me right now is that I am willing to lynch Mhar for POE. But if Mhar flips town, then the focus of our suspicion should be Disc and Grey. The DP should not be rushed.
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@Mharman
Did you soft-claim anywhere? What is your CC and PM justification (paraphrased)?
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@Speedrace
Post 13, you said you had to post something. Were you warned in your PM about being inactive?
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@bsh1
VTNL ing is okay for 2 or 3 players to prevent every lynch from being scum directed if town is inactive. So their logic is solid. Taking it to L2 is going g too far though and silly and it seems mharman knows it is silly as well, yet participated. He also claimed universal backup which is at least a mafia role half the time
Bsh1 is wrong. Longer DPs do not benefit town, though they should not be rushed. I think FT analyzed the length of dp1 Nd correct lunches and it seemed that quicker DPs had more accurate lynches on average
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@warren42
Oro, Pie, and Speed haven't posted much of substance as yet. Can we get activity prompts for less-than-engaged players? And yes, I know that's somewhat hypocritical, but I am here now.