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@Wylted
But, Wylted it's different. With your first comment you indicated that a scum team can protect you, and the town can accuse you. Both obvious facts, I'm pretty sure you weren't going to state only that. With your second comment you indicated that, just because a member of the scum team defends you,, it doesn't indicate affiliation.

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@Wylted
This only proves why we need to get rid of Club. He has zero utility for town, and scum will keep him alive as a liability if we choose to not lynch club.
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@Wylted
I mean it may well be Mharman is scum buddying to club for town cred knowing Club is such a doofus at this game as to believe scum will support him for no reason while OMGUSSING anyone who questions him as scum.

Town can't use players like that. Zero utility.
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@Wylted
It makes sense, but you have to factor in that Club is effectively useless at this game. He’s straight up a liability for us while Mharman can be of use to us. My vote still stands and i’ll Have to respectfully disagree with you.
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@Mharman
I suggest you lynch Club. It’s your only chance for survival.
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@Club
But, Wylted it's different. With your first comment you indicated that a scum team can protect you, and the town can accuse you. Both obvious facts, I'm pretty sure you weren't going to state only that. With your second comment you indicated that, just because a member of the scum team defends you,, it doesn't indicate affiliation.

Jesus Christ
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@Greyparrot
This only proves why we need to get rid of Club. He has zero utility for town, and scum will keep him alive as a liability if we choose to not lynch club.

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@Vader
I'm about to get busy.  I'd like to pressure Supa- his lurking makes me suspect.  I'd like to hear an overall recommendation from bsh & disc 
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I will go with the majority on mharman club when time is near expiration 
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@Wylted
I will go with the majority on mharman club when time is near expiration 

We should wait for Bsh and Disc to chime in between Club and Mharman. Until then my vote stands.
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@Wylted
They should know to avoid those.
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@Wylted
I was not tired, just busy at work, for what that is worth.

If you die from poison, it will be at the end of the day. Same time as the lynch.
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@ILikePie5
My survival isn’t what matters. What matters is that scum team is found and lynched
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@Mharman
My survival isn’t what matters. What matters is that scum team is found and lynched

So you want us to lynch you even if you’re in our side?
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Also I am working on an official vote count and will post as soon as I finish it

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@ILikePie5
We are up to near 500 posts today, and Club has yet to clarify how his role as poison doctor works. The only thing club posted is "even day poison doctor" ...whoa! big help to town here....

Oromagi posts the wiki for poison doctor and club has yet to clarify...heal during even days...heal during even nights? AND WE ARE 500 FUCKING POSTS IN.


If club refuses to help town, then town owes him zero favors. I'm sick of the lack of help from people town asks info from. If we excuse Club from giving town info when town asks for it, what's to stop scum from doing the exact same thing?


We need to lynch club on that principle alone. And if Mharman is town, he is a blathering fool for protecting a useless player like that.
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Just to be clear, there is a good chance club is town based on the odds being in favor of a scum poisoner...mod wise a balance would have a poison doctor as a town role, and nobody is stepping up yet to counterclaim club's claim. 

It still does not excuse the tunnel-buddying of Mharman on a player who refuses to cooperate with town.

Wylted may have been right all along to choose Mharman over Club for that unfounded behavior all along, since Mharman offered zero rationale for Club CERTAINLY being town.

At least here I can find some reasons for club possibly being town. 

Mharman offers ZERO reasons...but staunchly teams up with Club to defend him, that's indicative of scum using town as a shield.

UNVOTE so others can chime in on what to do.
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Vote Count

VTNL: 1/7 (Speedrace)
Mharman: 3/7 (Phione, Mharman, Wylted)
Disc: 1/7 (Club)
Club: 2/7 (Disc, Pie)

If you believe I have made a mistake please let me know.

The day will end at 6:00 PM EST on SATURDAY. You have roughly 26.5 hours remaining.


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@Greyparrot
Make up your mind dude. Is Club scum or is he town. You keep flip-flopping, what ever is more useful to you at the time.

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There are nowhere near enough votes to lynch me.

unvote VTL Disc
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Vote Count

VTNL: 1/7 (Speedrace)
Mharman: 2/7 (Phione, Wylted)
Disc: 2/7 (Club, Mharman)
Club: 2/7 (Disc, Pie)

If you believe I have made a mistake please let me know.

The day will end at 6:00 PM EST on SATURDAY. You have roughly 26.5 hours remaining.

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@Wylted
I gotchuuuuuuuuuuuu

(See TLDR at the bottom)

Each thing he named will have a value

H stands for hypothesis, E stands for evidence

1. Club is unwitting participant in mharmans plot (H1) (33%)
2. Club is witting participant (H2) (33%)
3. There is no conspiracy all is coincidence. (H3) (33%)

(Each has 33% because the possibility is split in thirds between all three)

If club flips guilty (E1) (50%)
If club he flips innocent (E2) (50%)
If mharman flips guilty (E3) (50%)
If mharman flips innocent (E4) (50%)

I'm going to go through each hypothesis given each evidence

P(H1|E1)=P(E1|H1)/P(E1)*P(H1)

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P(E1|H1) = 0 Because club can't be both unwitting and guilty

P(H1|E1)=0/.5*.33= 0%

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P(H1|E2)=P(E2|H1)/P(E2)*P(H1)

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P(E2|H1) = 50% because he's either unwitting or coincidence

P(H1|E2)=.5/.5*.33 = 33%

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P(H1|E3)=P(E3|H1)/P(E3)*P(H1)

plug in

P(E3|H1) = 50% (you get the gist by now)

P(H1|E3)=.5/.5*.33 = 33%

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P(H1|E4)=P(E4|H1)/P(E4)*P(H1)

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P(E4|H1) = 0%

P(H1|E4)=0/.5*.33 = 0%

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P(H2|E1)=P(E1|H2)/P(E1)*P(H2)

plug in

P(E1|H2) = 50%

P(H2|E1)=.5/.5*.33 = 33%

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P(H2|E2)=P(E2|H2)/P(E2)*P(H2)

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P(E2|H2) = 0%

P(H2|E2)=0/.5*.33 = 0%

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P(H2|E3)=P(E3|H2)/P(E3)*P(H2)

plug in

P(E3|H2) = 100%

P(H2|E3)=1/.5*.33 = 66%

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P(H2|E4)=P(E4|H2)/P(E4)*P(H2)

plug in

P(E4|H2) = 0%

P(H2|E4)=0/.5*.33 = 0%

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P(H3|E1)=P(E1|H3)/P(E1)*P(H3)

plug in

P(E1|H3) = 50%

P(H3|E1)=.5/.5*.33 = 33%

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P(H3|E2)=P(E2|H3)/P(E2)*P(H3)

plug in

P(E2|H3) = 50%

P(H3|E2)=.5/.5*.33 = 33%

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P(H3|E3)=P(E3|H3)/P(E3)*P(H3)

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P(E3|H3) = 0%

P(H3|E3)=0/.5*.33 = 0%

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P(H3|E4)=P(E4|H3)/P(E4)*P(H3)

plug in

P(E4|H3) = 100%

P(H3|E4)=1/.5*.33 = 66%


TL;DR

So the stuff under evidence 1 or 2 is what we learn from a club lynch, evidence 3 and 4 stuff is what we learn from a mharm lynch

Club: 0% unwitting OR 33% unwitting, 0% witting OR 33% witting, 33% coincidence
Mharman: 0% unwitting OR 33% unwitting, 0% witting OR 66% witting, 0% coincidence OR 66% coincidence

And basically, the closer the number is to 50%, the less useful it is, the closer it is to 0% or 100%, the more useful it is

So, like Wylted said, we learn a bit more from a Mharman lynch

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VTL Mharman
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Why does everyone stop talking when I drop the biggest knowledge bomb I've dropped so far? :(
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Vote Count

Mharman: 3/7 (Phione, Wylted, speedrace)
Disc: 2/7 (Club, Mharman)
Club: 2/7 (Disc, Pie)

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VTL Disc
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So maybe scum is mharman club and disc and they have the first 3 kills planned and they are demanding a role claim from the poisoned so they can possibly use their multiple universal back ups to pick up extra killing roles.

I don't recall ever giving a damn what your role is lol. I have a few people I would like to lynch sure, but who doesn't?
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@Mharman
Greyparrot and Disc are trying to claim Club is poisoner, which is stupid.

More words being put into my mouth. How annoying.
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@warren42
speedrace just edited posts 502 and 503

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Posts 479 and 481... Omfg...