trump's 'go back to your own country' comments were racist

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i assume there's no evidence that the women came from specifically bad countries, other than the fact they are black. it's fair to point out that black countries are often shitholes, but the women were born here so there's no reason to assume you should tell them to 'go back' and not all black countries are shit holes.

or, is it fair to tell any african american who was born here to go back to their shit hole ancesteral country if you disagree with them?
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is it fair to tell any african american who was born here to go back to their shit hole ancesteral country if you disagree with them politically?
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If a person of any skin color told me our country should have the same policies as any of the 54 African nations, you better believe a magical black skin shield won't stop me from criticizing them.
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"Newsflash, it's okay to call someone an asshole for their behavior and not care anything about their skin color."

if he doesn't care about skin color, why does he only say these things to black people who are critical of the usa? you think it's fair to assume all countries with black skin are shit holes? 
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i dont think african country equates to socialism which is what trump would complain about. a lot of those places are free market to the point of starvation. 

so basically, you think african american's who were born here cannot have valid opinions? we should believe they should shut up and enjoy america or go back to their ancesters' origin?
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A better question to ask is why he praises people with colored skin who don't want to turn America into a 3rd world socialist shithole nation. 

You don't actually believe socialism is build into the genetic DNA structure of the melanin phenotype? Is that what college teaches millennials?
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as i said, african countries have both pure free market and some socialism. it's a mix. so you are basically telling any black person who disagrees with you to shut up about america or go back to their home country? and if a leftist disagrees with them shouldn't it also be fair to tell them to shut up or go home? black people can't have opinions? or at the very least they can't disagree with you? 
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Name me one African country with better governing policies overall.  Name me one African country that has as much freedom of opportunity.

Like Trump said, "show us how it's done."
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so the opinions of black people don't matter given african is a mix of socialism and capitalism? or, black people cant have opinions that differ from you? 
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i assume there's no evidence that the women came from specifically bad countries, other than the fact they are black
But there is. all you have to do is some quick research and you can find the origin of someone's ancestry

or, is it fair to tell any african american who was born here to go back to their shit hole ancesteral country if you disagree with them?
You have to understand the context. He not just saying "I disagree with you, go back to where you came from", he's asking "if the system is so great why don't you go back to your country origin and test it out there and then come back and show us how it's done?", which really boils down to, "I don't want the USA to become the next lab rat for the socialist experiment, take it to a country that has nothing to lose, and then come back once you're done".

The fact that he invites them back afterwords is key in recognizing that the statement isn't racist.

But why choose their country of origin and not some other country?

Because by using their country of origin he is reminding them of their own history, hoping that some common sense would spark in them and that they would recognize that by being socialists, they spit on all of the dreams of freedom that their parents/grandparents had.

It's called emotional appeal and using it in this manner is not racist.
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Oh they have all the freedom in this country to say USA should be more like X (insert shithole country).

And they have the freedom in this country to go to that shithole, fix it up, and come back and tell us how it's done.

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Because by using their country of origin he is reminding them of their own history, hoping that some common sense would spark in them and that they would recognize that by being socialists, they spit on all of the dreams of freedom that their parents/grandparents had.

This is why Trump is so sure he will win the war on socialism, because each of these millennial brats advocating socialism has a parent that remembers what it was like to live under socialism..(or at least a soft version of it under Jimmy Carter who destroyed economic opportunities in the 70's)
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plus, cortez at least isn't african descent.

sounds like you think it's fair to tell anyone with colored skin (or what colors of skin do you make exceptions for?) that you disagree with to shut up or go try their ideas out in their ancesteral country. i'm trying to state that in the nicest way possible to make your point, but it still is racist. 
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non white countries suck? how is this not an accurate assessment of your views? what colors of skin do you make exceptions for? asians maybe? 
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I think it's fair to tell anyone regardless of race or ethnicity, to try out their ideas somewhere else first.
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non white countries suck?

There are nonwhite countries that are pretty well off. South Africa isn't bad, Japan isn't bad... Likewise there are white countries that suck, like Russia. I judge each country individually.

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My heritage is German, you could tell me to take my ideas back to Germany first (assuming that my ideas were the ones that destroyed Germany in the first place) and try them out and I wouldn't be offended.
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why doesn't he tell white people to go to their ancesteral country and try their ideas out? colored skin countries suck?

plus another thing you and gray parrot are overlooking is that probably more colored skin countries are pure free market than anything 
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if you judge each country individually, how can you think it's fair to just take a group of colored skinned people and tell them to go home if you disagree with them when you know nothing about their country of origin, when he doesn't do the same to whites? 
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why doesn't he tell white people to go to their ancesteral country and try their ideas out?
Actually he told that to a British ambassador. 

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how can you think it's fair to just take a group of colored skinned people

It's not "colored skin people" it's just "people who advocate the same ideology that destroyed their countries".

and tell them to go home if you disagree with them 
Telling them to go home is not the same as saying "try them out over there first, and then come back."

 when you know nothing about their country of origin
Trump did know about their country of origin; the information is out there.

when he doesn't do the same to whites? 
British. Ambassador. (And also Ted Cruz).
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how do you know that trump knew the country of origin of each of them? that seems far fetched. just because you could know the info doesn't mean you would, especially someone like trump 

why doesn't trump say those sorts of things to white people from shitty countries? 

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what the british ambassador born in the usa?  that sounds like a unique position where he'd be associated with britian too. those women had no reason to associate them with their ancestoral country 

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how do you know that trump knew the country of origin of each of them? that seems far fetched. just because you could know the info doesn't mean you would, 
He was factually correct, and treatment based on facts is not unfair.


why doesn't trump say those sorts of things to white people from shitty countries? 
BRITISH> AMBASSADOR> AND> TED> CRUZ>
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what the british ambassador born in the usa?
Doesn't matter. All that matters it that he told a white person to screw off back to where he came from, which shows that he is an equal opportunity belligerent.

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Why is skin color more important than you believing in failed socialism or African Authoritarianism?

Is there a skin color chart somewhere that allocates magical properties that allows you to believe in stupid ideas with no criticism?
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i disagree. even if trump was right that they came from shit holes doesnt mean it's safe to assume it based on their skin color. it's still a racist thing to do.... what if he turned out to be wrong? you claim to judge each country individually so it's not reasonable for you to think otherwise. 

cruz and even that ambassador weren't born here. plus they were in situations where their home country was at issue. completely different than the squad situation, cause most of them were born here and there was no reason to link them with their home countries other than race.  
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you can't judge a book by its cover, which is what you are doing by saying it's okay to make those comments on the basis of race alone. you're the one using race in an unjustifiable way here, not me. that's why it's racist. 
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i'm not PC dude either. i dont want immigrants from shit hole countries, and i agree the race card and racism is thrown around too much and unjustifiably too. but you have to draw the line somewhere. 
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i think this is where gray parrot says he'd call out white people from shit hole countries too. of course this ignores the fact that parrot was just saying most african countries are shit holes and he was implying it's safe to assume people of color are from shit holes. can't get a straight or reasonable answer from him, so it's probably not worth trying.