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@WaterPhoenix
u must write it clearly & in bold or it does not count
VTL Bsh1
for example
Throne of Glass Mafia DP1
Posts
Total:
304
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@Discipulus_Didicit
wylted said he was editing post until explicitly told otherwise....is “no edit” a standard or an option, IYO?
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@oromagi
Fine,
VTL Bsh1
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@WaterPhoenix
Fun fact: did u know that bsh1 used to run the mafia beginners series on DDO? I bet the first 20 games I played were modded by bsh
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@oromagi
I think it ought to be a standard though I acknowledge that it is not (as far as I know).
I wouldn't like for a mafioso to accidentally say something incriminating then notice it right after posting and edit their post to hide it.
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@oromagi
Dang, really? Bsh1 was a mod on DDO too? All I ever did on DDO was vote on polls and debate every 50 years...
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@WaterPhoenix
Well, theres a distinction between DDO mod and mafia mod but I bsh was both. He did a whole lotta stuff.
VOTE COUNT
Bsh1 (4/6) - Wylted, oromagi, Disc, WaterPhoenix
Mharman (1/6) - Club
Please let me know if I’ve made any errors...
ATTENTION
16 hours remaining.
DP will end at 5 PM Central Standard Time. NP1 will end after all night actions are submitted or 24 hours after DP1 ends - whichever comes first.
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@bsh1
of course, if bsh1 is town, he ought to have a case for staying & I hope he will make that case
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@WaterPhoenix
Oh I'll also VTL bsh1 cause he VTL'd me
That's the spirit.
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@oromagi
Yeah, I am town, but I am not going to make a case beyond what I have already said. Town is acting pretty idiotically right now, and so I am not inclined to fight that idiocy. Any attempt to fight will probably be characterized as scummy anyhow, given the sheer foolishness of the reasoning already on display.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Like I said though it isn't that important so I dropped it from lack of interest. I am however interested by the fact that your response to the pressure from my top 2 town reads is to focus in on that one post of mine and seemingly try to divert attention to that non-issue.
I was interested in your pressure on Grey long before any lynchwagon had developed on me. I pressed you on the question of Grey in posts 123 and 133. Wylted began to FOS me in post 141 and the lynchwagon began to form around post 154.
Your attempt to cast my interest in you as suspicious strikes me as scummy, because it strikes me as opportunistic OMGUS. That is, not just OMGUS, but a thinly veiled attempt to put the proverbial nail in the coffin without any real attempt to ensure that the basis of the attempt was rooted in fact. Were you town, I don't think you'd rely on such transparently flimsy logic to help rush along a lynch.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
If he is town then I see no reason for him not to character claim. Roles are much more important info than characters. If he is scum then forcing him to claim forces him to take claim, giving a chance (however small) of catching him in a lie.
This does not make much sense from a town POV. Yes, you *could* catch a player in a lie that way, but the role claim should have been enough to absolve Grey from suspicion this DP at least. Asking for an additional claim from an already town-read player makes *no* sense because that additional information is (1) unlikely to expose him as mafia and (2) gives mafia additional information that they can use to construct plausible fake claims and deduce thematic information. Pressuring Grey *only* makes sense from a mafia POV.
Your response in the first instance was defensive, and this response here is flimsy. Everything you've said about this issue has sounded like mafia trying to gloss over suspicious play.
You think Wylted is hard to read? Grey is actually hard to read because the simplicity of his... Playstyle I guess you could say... Means that he essentially behaves the same no matter his alignment.
I am not going to get into some kind of "who is harder to read" contest. What I will say is that this is another attempt to cast doubt on a player who should be in our townpile based on their role claim. That you are still trying to cloud the issue re: Grey seems odd from a town POV.
You are squarely in my scumpile.
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@Mharman
Why should we do only soft claims. Why is hard claiming early harmful to town?
I push for soft claims because it at least requires players to commit to *something.* That makes it harder for mafia to switch to new fake claims if their planned fake claims from DP1 don't work out.
Soft claims are preferable early on because they inhibit mafia's ability to create convincing fake claims. The less mafia knows about town's roles and characters, the harder it is for mafia to get a firm idea of the theme and of the balance of the game.
So, I want players to commit to *something* before mafia can put all the pieces together, but I don't want them to give hard claims because that helps mafia create good fake claims that they can then roll with. So, I push for soft claims instead.
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@WaterPhoenix
Oh I'll also VTL bsh1 cause he VTL'd me
Ah, noobs...
If I am mislynched, next DP should focus on Disc, Wylted, and Oro. The former two, especially.
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@oromagi
I was not a mod on DDO. I was only a mafia mod.
VTL Disc
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@bsh1
If I am mislynched, next DP should focus on Disc, Wylted, and Oro.
Why oro?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I already said. I've felt like most of his posts have been on the fluff side, with no real attempt to scumhunt.
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@bsh1
I've felt like most of his posts have been on the fluff side, with no real attempt to scumhunt.
I just re-read pros posts up to page 7 and I don't really get that impression. He has had some fluff posts but for every one of those he has had several posts relating to the game.
One of his fluff posts was a mention-in-passing about the Greek elections, something you and Supa put a lot more time into talking about than he did, and a good number of his early game related posts were were ring theme analysis, something I wouldn't expect you to find suspicious given your stance on theme analysis.
I just re-read pros posts up to page 7
Goddamn Oro... Not pro... Stupid ass auto correct.
were were ring theme analysis
I mean seriously... I meant regarding here not ring... What could I have possibly typed that made the auto correct think it was more likely that I said ring (a 4 letter word) rather than regarding (a 9 letter word)?
Last time I was on the scum team, the mod gave us safe claims in advance.but I don't want them to give hard claims because that helps mafia create good fake claims that they can then roll with. So, I push for soft claims instead.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Goddamn Oro... Not pro... Stupid ass
You're right. My ass is ridiculous
I was not a mod on DDO
king, then, faction leader, eorl
. I was only a mafia mod.
pfft, only. You were the best mafia mod (sorry pie)!
I'm still fine with lynching bsh1 although club is registering way higher on my scum meter- he is clearly avoiding this forum
VOTE COUNT
Bsh1 (4/6) - Wylted, oromagi, Disc, WaterPhoenix
Disc (1/6) - bsh1
Please let me know if I’ve made any errors...
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@Greyparrot
Last time I was on the scum team, the mod gave us safe claims in advance.
I think that's generally bad practice. I think mafia having one fake claim is fine, but they should not all have that cover. Generally, I don't find that mods give all mafia safe fake claims.