Ramshutu’s Razor

Realiy having a mind is relevant.

If reality doesn’t have a mind - it’s not God.

iIf reality has a mind - it is God

So whether your God exists or not - is down to whether Reality has a mind

The only argument atheism has is to make God into a god. That is why we are having this striving about words. There is no argument against God, so God must be made into a conception.

The theological equivilent is to deny the divine nature of Christ and only accept the fleshly nature. 

The problem with denying the incarnation it misses the entire point of what is being said. 

The aversion is to the word "God".

No, nothing you said is actually true, and you offer no argument or evidence to support it.

You repeatedly make lofty and bold assertions about what is true: You false equate your own opinion on what God is, or is not with God. All you have is your own, fallible conception of God that is wholly within your own head.

You yourself have repeatedly said that this is not correct - I’m just using your own argument.

Now, I’m not objecting to God specifically - I am pointing out your logic is nonsensical. You claim God is reality, them use this to say God exists because reality does.

As I have said repeatedly - while reality exists - we can’t tell reality has a mind - so the existence of reality doesn’t show God exists. You may want to actually pay attention to that one.

Fundamentally though: your conception of God refutes itself, because I can take these qualities you claim - apply them through the Razor - and demonstrate that if God was truly as your conception implies - he would have made a better universe. Which I did at the start.

So - you refuted yourself once by railing against conceptions - and conception is all your really have.

Your God refutes itself through the Razor. And finally the logic itself that you use is implicitly faulty.

So you’re wrong in three different ways. The illogical trinity!

Where do you get "mind" out of The Ultimate Reality?

It simply isn't there, you have a non argument. I am hearing you, I have been saying this whole time that you are confused. I am not interested in arguing fruitlessly.

Your argument about conceptions is nonsense and shows me you are confused. You don't understand what I am saying. I am not interested in arguing fruitlessly.

So can you say that God exists?

Does God have a mind?

Do you have a mind?

I asked you if God has a mind.

Its a simple question. Are you unable to answer?

If you answer my question, you will have the answer to your question.

Why are you avoiding the question:

Are you scared? Do you not know? Are you afraid of sounding stupid? If that latter - that ship

has sailed.

Do you think God has a mind?

I'm actually giving you an answer, I think you are the one who is afraid of looking stupid. I assure you, this fear is irrational.

Do you have a mind?

There you have your answer.

Youre not giving me an answer

An answer would be “yes” or “no”.

What you’re doing is answering a question with a nonsensical riddle that makes no sense, isn’t clear and appears completely unrelated.

I’m assuming that you don’t know whether God has a mind; as you have now tried to weasel your way out of answering the question three times now.

Does God have a mind? yes or no?

Then you get no answer. Carry on.

But even you know that "mind" is not an essential quality of what it means to be The Ultimate Reality.

You are arguing against your own superstitions.

So God doesn’t have a mind. Perfect.

You think you are mindless?

Do you think I am your God?

You are not The Ultimate Reality.

What a stupid thing to even imply to anyone. Why do people even bother trying to seem interested in religions discussion. 

Then why are you asking whether I have a mind - when I am asking you whether your God has a mind?

Why?

If you have a mind, God certainly has a mind as you could not have your mind independent of God.

You got even dumber. 

If God didn’t exist. I could have a mind independent of God

If God doesn't exist, you don't exist. If nothing is ultimately real, you cannot be real.

Clearly there is some reality to your existence or you would not be having an experience.

I wait in eternal optimism for the day you are able to string a logical and coherent argument together instead of launching into insults and vitriol.

Sadly today is not that day.

If reality is real, but God isn’t real, I can exist without God, and reality still exists.

Your going around in circles

From a guy who asks if he's someones' god. Yeah not real concerned. Moron. 

You accusing me of using circular reasoning is actually you refusing to accept that God means The Ultimate Reality.

You are simply in denial of what the word means. You need a straw man god in order to have an argument.

Talk about something else while pretending to talk about the same thing...

Thats atheism for you.

Wait: you genuinely thought me asking whether I was this guys God was genuine and serious? Rather than as, say, rhetorical device to point out the incongruity of the question he was asking?

I think you are a bigot atheist.