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@disgusted
Have You Counted Out God??
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@Outplayz
Unless it gives us some actionable information then yes it is meaningless to us.
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@Outplayz
Nothing happened to you, it was most likely a delusion, you hear and see things, they're called hallucinations. That's why others don't have them.But what if ... the observer, lets say that's me, has had sufficient evidence? I can't prove that evidence bc as far as i know... it only happened to me.
Wouldn't spirituality make more sense if it's only for the observer and not for everyone? If everyone had the same evidence as i did... they would be exactly like me... how boring would life be if everyone is the same?
That is absurd, the world would not be boring and everyone would not be the same. If it isn't happening to everyone, which it clearly is not, then you can rest assured you're experiencing delusions.
I personally don't want objective proof of spirituality. I think it's perfect as it is... However, when i talk to you about why i'm spiritual (at least in my case) i have enough evidence to suspect there is something going on.
You mean it's perfect that you can pretend you're having experiences others don't have. That's really sad, dude. Grow up. You're acting like a small child, try being an adult.
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@EtrnlVw
I don't think Theism as we know it is compatible at all with "God". If such a thing exists. I believe if a creator exists, he/she has no further involvement then the initial creation. Religion is extremely "human", for lack of a better word. The fact that we have so many religions from the same book proves, to me, that God didn't write it. I don't believe a God would create something so ambiguous and open for interpretation. Not to mention the content. So I havn't counted God out as the source, so to speak, but I also believe evolution.
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@WyseGui
I don't think Theism as we know it is compatible at all with "God".
Huh? that is the source that studies that reality...maybe not broken down into singular belief systems and only certain fundamental religious clubs probably not I would agree with that but now look at spirituality and religion as a whole. Now you have many sources all relaying information about the Creator, now we have a vast wealth of knowledge and of course that doesn't mean it's all accurate. What it does mean is there more information (accurate/non accurate) than anyone could ever fully cover about this reality.
If such a thing exists. I believe if a creator exists, he/she has no further involvement then the initial creation.
Why? think about that for a minute, does that make ANY sense at all? what did God do pack up and leave town lol. Not at all, the Creator is omnipresent meaning there is nowhere something exists where God is not present or aware, this is just the nature of God and pure awareness. So the statement itself is nonsensical (not being rude BTW).
Religion is extremely "human", for lack of a better word.
All knowledge, facts and information come by way of human observations so of course religion has human characteristics as well it's not perfect. However, despite religions many flaws it also contains truths and accurate knowledge but you have to put the time in and research to know anything at all. Don't get me wrong, not all religions are made equal so there are sources that have more facts about the soul and about God than others. The lower the religion the more carnal it will appear but also you see the other side, the uplifting and higher level of enlightenment side, the beauty, the love, the magnetism, the power ect ect.
So basically what you have is somewhat like you would see on an equalizer with varying lows and highs, high levels and lower level paths of spirituality. This is due to the source of any particular belief system and how much that founder truly knew and was aware of, and you can measure the fruit of their practices and knowledge by observing what effects it has on people and the world. This gets a little tricky though because when you're dealing with people in general you will have all kinds of variations, attitudes and actions taken so no one religion will ever look perfect but again we want to take a more universal approach and larger picture of the entire spectrum to ascertain what is useful....and what can be discarded.
The fact that we have so many religions from the same book proves, to me
It should prove to you that people are extremely diverse and have many different ideas and beliefs, they all don't look at everything the same and so variations form what is wrong with that? what is wrong with a little variety in creation? I don't like it when denominations hate and point fingers at others either but that's irrelevant really, it doesn't really have anything to do with what God is. Everyone seems to freak out because there are so many religions and flavors but look at it from another angle, flavors are good and people like to congregate and commune with likeminded folks and so God knows this and it's okay that different cultures and ideals exist within religion.
It's all just for the individual soul to have something to connect with in this life and after.
that God didn't write it.
God didn't write it, people are observing this transcendent Reality and are making records of it. The God-worlds are so vast there will be many interpretations and many ways people will express it.
I don't believe a God would create something so ambiguous and open for interpretation.
Man and cultures create their own religions due to their observations and God lets them, because it's not a big deal. Again, this is okay because the only real reason for any path of spirituality is for the soul to connect with. That in itself is not ambiguous, there's a lot of freedom in spirituality for the individual don't forget that. You too might have a unique way of understanding God and that too IS needed so don't let none of that deter you from checking things out or getting involved.
One day you will certainly leave the physical body and at that point you don't really want to be surprised or unsure about what is happening so it's better just to get your foot in the door and be open-minded to new information.
So I havn't counted God out as the source, so to speak, but I also believe evolution.
That's great, just consider that evolution is a creative process to get where it is currently. Not sure why so many religious people reject the evolution of embodiments. God doesn't just poof things into existence that is a misconception and not true, there is an intelligent process behind all of life as we know it and even beyond this world.
The Creator has to get from pure conscious awareness (which is present with energy) to isolated forms and places and this takes quite awhile to accomplish obviously, the universe alone is enormous.
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@Outplayz
Isn't that the most frustrating thing in hell?
Lol well now that you put it that way, it's real sad but this is a low level part of creation. You'll see when you leave this world the souls there are much more aware, life isn't a big secret and souls are taught more about God and their true self. But, it's that way here for a reason, the Source likes all experiences even the ones we feel "God" is so far away or unreachable, or to the atheist absurdity.
You want to talk about your evidence, you want to talk about your logic, you want to talk about your reasoning, but some asshole calls you irrational off the bat and anything beyond...
Yeah I get much worse than that, and even have my own stalker. It's pretty pathetic at times.
"well, you can't prove god to 'me' (selfish devils)" ... doesn't even get talked about. It's really sad, but it does fit into my belief however. This is a movie man... some characters are what they are... it's funny bc if they could easily change... they'd prove me wrong.
This is true like I said above these experiences are necessary, even at times fun for the Creator to observe. I always want to impress the idea of how creative an eternal Consciousness that exists alone is. God wants a massive creation, many types of adventures, many planets, galaxies, forms, creatures to experience ect ect….the soul is on a long, long journey to find out who they really are. It can take as long as the soul wants because time is never an issue.
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@EtrnlVw
LOOK in the mirror...all anyone need is between their EARS...sadly the majority of humans are BRAINWASHED and HYPNOTIZED into dumbed
down slaves of clever MIND and LIFE MURDERING psychopaths....most who hide behind some GOD hoax, Political Circus, Business Maze,
all HUMANS seem do do well is MURDER each other both PHYSICALLY... but especially MENTALLY....= the OPEN MIND CONSTRUCT....the BODY is not a TERRORIST MURDERER it is merely an AVATAR a TOOL...it's the "INVISIBLE Parasite Vampire VOMIT" flowing in the neural network of HUMANITIES BRAIN....that is used as TOOL to create FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE....
This relatively small FLESHY SPONGE = BRAIN becomes the WAREHOUSE of methods to MURDER and DESTROY its own species and all other
life forms on EARTH.....how utterly INSANE for these pathetic humans to use some GOD hoax as a TOOL to extinguish themselves...and to also
PLAY GOD in Government and Business for the same intention...POWER and CONTROL or DIE....
Wake UP HUMANS...your time on this world and in this LIFE FORM is fading.....either eliminate the Parasite VAMPIRE diseases of GODS and
PLAYING GOD...or forever be EXTINCT...and rightfully so....your place in the COSMOS is NOT VIABLE....extinction eminent...
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@EtrnlVw
I think a lot of what your saying is a bit of conjecture. And you are taking some of the things I am saying a little too literally but I may not have been clear enough.
I don't think Theism as we know it is compatible at all with "God".
What I mean is, I don't believe Theism is compatible with what God truly is. I think we have a variety of boxes we put God into to fit our different perspectives. The truth of it is probably more out there then we will ever understand. As far as God is concerned, no , I don't believe we have any accurate information on what it really is. What I am saying is nonsensical if you think you know what God is. I don't think we do. So no i don't believe he necessarily packed up and left town. That is conjecture. Who said God is a he/she or even sentient? Who said God is omnipresent? Even if that was true ,who said God cares about this universe. The universe could be the product of completely random events. He may have just sneezed this universe into existence and never noticed.
When I say "Religion is extremely "human", for lack of a better word." I men I don't see God participating in religion at all. IMO of course. And I mean in any relevant context. It all just seems like things humans basically came up with. I don't see any examples of divine providence, or payers working, blessings, or any sort of super natural evidence. Religious history in even somewhat inaccurate when compared to actual history or secular I should say. I also think it is a bit of personification and Spotlight syndrome. We are attributing human characteristics to a noumenonal entity. Never mind the fact that we assume one exists. Even if it did we assume it cares about us.
This is a problem because they lead to different interpretations. And I hear what you are saying about different flavors and it really just being about personal spirituality but I disagree. I don't know any religion that teaches it is okay to choose another religion. The practices are too different. Take Islam for example. Violence and hate of infidels is built into the doctrine. Christianity, your supposed to love everyone. Interpretations have everything to do with what God is. Because God is not objective. God is perception. I say this because we have no objective evidence to establish an objective meaning for God. So everything we know about him is perception, even what we read. hence the different interpretations.
I didn't actually mean God wrote it. I mean it is not an interpretation of God's will or a record of transcendent reality. Even if you can poke holes in the statement, please understand what i am trying to say. I don't want to argue semantics.
Man and cultures create their own religions due to their observations and God lets them, because it's not a big deal. Again
I think it is because God has no further involvement then the initial creation. There is nothing in this universe that shows God/he/she/it wishes us to be closer to him(Im just going to say him from now on). None that we will leave our physical body. If God exists I don't see how he has demonstrated that at all. I believe if God truly wanted this, it would be obvious in some matter. The most likely way is something actually written i doctrine actually happening. But as far as I know nothing has happpened.
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@EtrnlVw
If you personally ask me... i think those souls are on their way here. That is why evolution intrigues me in a spiritual sense too. As the Joker says... "all it takes is a little push."You'll see when you leave this world the souls there are much more aware
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@secularmerlin
I agree with you. I don't think i'll see my belief created here in my lifetime. But the fact that it's possible intrigues me.Unless it gives us some actionable information then yes it is meaningless to us.
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@disgusted
Are you talking to me? This is kinda unintelligible, but i think you mean humans create gods... i agree.What would your gods be created by other than man I mean?
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@Outplayz
What would your gods be created by
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@Goldtop
you can pretend
I've never pretended.
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@disgusted
First of all.. i don't have any gods. Second, humans have a good chance to create "gods" if they live long enough... so humans.What would your gods be created by
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@Outplayz
We do not know that it is possible. The best that can be said is that we do not know if it is impossible. This is quite different.
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@secularmerlin
There are quite a few that definitely think it's possible. But yeah... we really don't know what the future holds. A significant natural disaster can easily make this reality more like a zombie apocalypse.We do not know that it is possible.
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@Outplayz
Humans have been creating gods for over 100,000yrs and they didn't live long back then.
Btw... that is why i haven't counted out "god" personally..
Is it meaningless if it has the potential to create gods?
You seem confused.
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@Outplayz
In your world it already is.
You live a life where you blissfully ignore reality.
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@disgusted
So what...Humans have been creating gods for over 100,000yrs and they didn't live long back then.
Actually, if you didn't get that statement... technically you're confused.You seem confused.
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@disgusted
I bet you i live in reality a lot more than you do.You live a life where you blissfully ignore reality.
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@Outplayz
I've read what you write and reality has no place in it.
Everyone lives in the same reality, if you understood this you couldn't possibly make this claim.
I bet you i live in reality a lot more than you do.
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@disgusted
Maybe bc i'm talking about abstract thoughts on a religion forum... ummm... yeah. You have about 15 more minutes to come at me with whatever you got... it's fun, but i have to go soon. You know... reality (in the form of a juicy 1lb top sirloin steak) is knocking. Gotta get those macros.I've read what you write and reality has no place in it.
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@Outplayz
That's a better "I'm running away now" line than you usually give. Say hello to ET's god planet while you're there. It's nice that you think reality is abstract but that's exactly what I've been telling you and you've been denying.
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@disgusted
Abstract "thoughts" ... do you have reading comprehension problems dude? Not running away man. If you have something else to say... i'll get you back later. I have things to do.
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@Outplayz
Everyone lives in the same reality, if you understood this you couldn't possibly make this claim.
I bet you i live in reality a lot more than you do.
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@disgusted
Agreed.Everyone lives in the same reality
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@Outplayz
Then how did you make your absurd statement? How does your platform game manifest in our shared reality, because it doesn't exist in mine.
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@disgusted
I said in the far future humans may create it.How does your platform game manifest in our shared reality
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@Outplayz
You've said that it already exists and it's your worldview, you can't be honest can you?
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@disgusted
Everyone lives in the same reality,
Another profound statement from our resident philosopher, physicist, scientist,naturalist, geologist, archaeologist, theologist and all round egghead. Now is all he has to do is produce the evidence to support his claim. This should be extremely interesting.
For instance: how does the reality of a bushman from Papua New Guinea compare to the reality of Hollywood star multi millionaire George Clooney and his multi millionaire wife Amal Clooney the British barrister who specialising in international law and human rights and who jointly own over 30 properties worth billions?
Come on now, lets have it .