So the Gov. of Alabama, want to force rape victims to give birth.

If someone poisons or otherwise neglects their child to death (preventable miscarriage), a D.N.R. will not fix the problem.

sure but you didn't qualify it the first time so......

to prevent a miscarriage a woman may have to stay off her feet for months, she may wish not to do that and let nature take it's course, aka DNR

(IFF) embryo/fetus = child (THEN) Refusing to properly take care of yourself in order to protect your unborn child is child-abuse and if it results in a miscarriage it is murder/manslaughter.

(IFF) miscarriage is D.N.R. (THEN) abortion is D.N.R.

You can't have it both ways.

(IFF) embryo/fetus = child (THEN) Refusing to properly take care of yourself in order to protect your unborn child is child-abuse and if it results in a miscarriage it is murder/manslaughter.

that has been addressed with the links to legal discussions and laws I have already posted.

(IFF) miscarriage is D.N.R. (THEN) abortion is D.N.R.

You can't have it both ways.

sigh, what aren't you understanding here?  Miscarriages happen for natural causes all the time, it's very common and can have nothing to do with neglect or any human purposeful action, unlike abortions.

to purposefully cause a miscarriage is the same as an abortion, that's what the morning after bill does for instance.  Self induced abortion.

You can't simultaneously attack the law when you don't agree with it and then hide behind it when it suits your mood.

We're talking about preventable miscarriages.  Did a woman take every precaution to protect the unborn embryo/fetus?

What about accidental miscarriages that result from irresponsible or reckless behavior?  How are those materially distinct from manslaughter?

You can't simultaneously attack the law when you don't agree with it and then hide behind it when it suits your mood.

attacking which law?  not sure what you are talking about here

We're talking about preventable miscarriages.  Did a woman take every precaution to protect the unborn embryo/fetus?

so a miscarriage will mean the fetus/baby whatever will leave the woman's body and die, it's going to die, or is in such a state that it will die, lack quality of life etc, like a person on life support, terminal disease etc     DNR applies.

What about accidental miscarriages that result from irresponsible or reckless behavior?  How are those materially distinct from manslaughter?

maybe, dunno, I can certainly see why you would pose such a question and scenario, well done.

I think it's possible, however the woman doesn't have to admit or confess to it which is basically the ruling of Roe v. Wade

You maybe technically correct, I could see that, in practicability it would be a very rare occurrence indeed.

Civil rights law, Roe v. Wade, anything you disagree with or argue in favor of changing.

With normal care, we would expect to have a living breathing infant within nine months.

I see what you are saying, but I do not believe there are any laws that require a person to save another, there is no duty in that respect, that I know of.

There was an interesting video I saw long time ago.  This doctor was studying why couples who were trying to have a child kept miscarrying.  What he found (don't recall the %) was that the couple were genetically similar, like brother and sister.  To combat this problem the woman was basically given anti-rejection drugs and with that he had an 80% success rate.  LOL what a great idea, prevent genetic incest from aborting.

So again just because they are preventable doesn't mean they should be because they do happen for beneficial reasons.

Do you believe that "all men are created equal"?

Except for the right to privacy

How could you be aware the right to privacy of the fetus if you haven't already abused the rights of the woman.

Bills have been known to hold the woman liable for seeking an abortion, as well as responsible for the upkeep of the pregnancy, that being a terminated pregnancy (even if wholly natural) could call for an inquiry.  Not only that, should the woman in question travel out of state to recieve the abortion, she is potentially a criminal when she returns.

As it stands (important turn of phrase), through force of law, women's bodies are being commandeered by the state at the behest of another party (the unborn).  A specific onus is being placed, not just a ban of a certain medical procedure.  

How can you type with your head so far up your own ass?

Why are you so afraid of what I say?

What right do you have to know that a woan is pregnant?

the right to privacy and 5th amendment, she doesn't have to tell or admit anything. 

except for the right to privacy and 5th amendment, she doesn't have to tell or admit anything.   I'm not sure if doctor/patient relationship is similar to that of client/attorney but regardless the rights mentioned still stand as does HIPAA privacy.

2 have ever been prosecuted, ever?

as far as a body being commandeered unless a woman can grow 2 more arms, legs and in some cases a penis, I would say that body is a separate entity.  Yes rights can be trumped by other's rights in some situations, I've already posted about that.  My right to defend my life can trump your right to life in certain circumstances.  Happens all the time, nothing new.

There is no right to an abortion I don't believe Roe v Wade has ever been interpreted that way.

if you attempt or do hurt yourself the state steps in then, you can't sell one of your kidneys, you can't have something removed so you could be considered "disabled"  this bodily autonomy sees to have it's limits, could a conjoined twin have the other killed?

But we both know what the intent of the law is and that it will never stand as it is, if at all.  It's fun to discuss though.

Her saying or admitting something doesn't matter, some one (a family member, clergy member, friend, co-worker) could easily report her.  

There is no moral law preventing an abortion.  You can't sell a kidney, but you can definitely donate them.  You can donate blood and marrow, too.  Forcing a woman to carry is really no different than compelling citizens to donate plasma, the state is forcing the citizen to do something with their body they don't want to do under penalty of law.