Religion or Science?

The smaller churches would have a problem paying taxes while carrying out their community work

Churches of various sorts have sprung up and apparently exploited the privilege originally given to charitable churches in America.

Yes. to the tune of some bilions of dollars in lost revenues that could be used for places of community work that have no agendas to convert people.

You don't have to lie, Rod, everyone knows it's all about converting people to Christianity and very little to do about helping others. Those churches need to be shut down.

But even if such a silly thing happened, if we limited it to places with no such agenda as you put it, we'd have to exclude atheist activist organizations. But maybe you can fill me in on what type of places are you talking about?

Fortunately Goldtop, we don't live in a Nazi-type dictatorship.

Fortunately Goldtop, we don't live in a Nazi-type dictatorship.

Yes, we are, Trump and Republican Party are in power and we know how much Trump loves Nazi's.

And the Christians fighting each other is one of the stupidest arguments some atheists make. I wish some of these silly arguments could get placed on a higher platform where they can get properly sifted out the logic and reasoning arena. I'd be happy to get into it if you want (and Ludo often joins in the fun), but I'll leave it at that for now.

People are always going to examine, consider, convert to religion. Some may become theists, some polytheists, some deists, etc. No one thinks militant atheists and activists are particularly intelligent. There are brilliant atheists no doubt. But collectively, the core messages being extended by activist orgs doesn't impress too many in the real world. This is probably why atheist activists are relatively invisible in the political arena. It's not because of some outdated unpracticed law in a few states. 

These organizations are fine, and do wonderful work. You live in a fantasy if you think they're enough. I bet most of the people in those organizations understand that, and appreciate the work local churches do.

militant atheists

People are always going to examine, consider, convert to religion.

No one thinks militant atheists and activists are particularly intelligent.

And the Christians fighting each other is one of the stupidest arguments some atheists make.

No, I'm fully confident that Trump is not going to turn America into a Nazi-type dictatorship

Most of Obama's supporters were Christians.

I'm still waiting for some other topic you proposed starting, but I'm game for any discussion that doesn't involve name calling around here. THey're few and far between. 

Atheists are a vanishingly small minority and are poorly funded. That's why they're invisible in the political arena. There are way too many religious votes to risk if you're going to just say "Well, all you religious folks are just gullible rubes." It's not politically prudent, and it explains why most politicians never talk in public about HOW they practice their faith, they only talk about the things those that practice care about. THere's no special level of intelligence required to, say, identify that gay people should be able to get married and enjoy the benefits of being married: people are people and in a country where freedom of choice and equality of all are supposedly pillar tenets, there's no reason to say their version of love doesn't qualify.

The ONLY reason I've ever heard to object to such unions is religious in nature, and it's not unique to Christianity. It's politically prudent...do you think for one second a Ted Cruz or a Joe Kennedy really thinks their own marriage is somehow invalidated by Adam and Steve getting married? Not even a little. What they do think is that their constituency of bible thumping rubes thinks that's a threat to them somehow, so they do the politically expedient thing and oppose it, knowing there's no cost to them: the gay vote isn't as big as the Christian vote.

I do love that you still seem to be inventing these shadow "atheist activist cabals" that are nameless and invisible though. Never change Rod! :)

And if small storefront churches provide services without any tether to faith, hey, great...then why not just stop doing the faith stuff and just be a charity? You're kidding yourself if you don't think they want to lure in new followers, I'm glad homeless people are being served, sure, but religious

organizations all over the world preach against vaccines and birth control...just ask Africa.

Those people aren't stupid, Rod, they don't appreciate the work churches do at all for the very same reason everyone understands, that they are only in it to convert others to Christianity. This is common knowledge and the only folks who deny it are the Christians.

You're being dishonest again, there's no such thing driving non-religious charity organizations, but you're only to happy to say such things so you can pretend to be the victims here.

You will never be able to support that claim for the simple reason that there are tens of thousands of denominations fighting each other over who has the best brand of Christianity, that is by far one the stupidest things about Christianity. You can't even agree with each other let alone anyone else.

We're already there, he is a dictator and he loves nazis because that's how he rules. He doesn't have brains in his head so he's forced to behave like a dictator. This will all come out in the wash and folks like yourself who supported Trump will be the most humiliated folks on the planet. Actually, you probably already are.

And, that's because the vast majority of Americans are Christian, Rod? Lol.

Most of what you listed I think are humanist organizations.

Humanist groups work in the same network as atheist activist groups. They have an agenda. Yes, they are looking for conversions (to atheism).

Or are you objecting to the term militant atheists?

I seriously think you'd rather see someone starve to death than be converted.

Well, militant atheists do tend to think they're intelligent.

You know full well that this person understands religious fighting to mean blood shedding. As in war. As in military combat.

By the way, politicians don't agree with each other

Scientists don't agree with each other. Atheists don't agree with each other for crying out loud.

I NEVER SUPPORTED TRUMP.

They help humans, yes. They're not in it for themselves as the Churches are to get converts.

Prove that or admit you're lying, because you are lying, again.

Yes, that would be something a Dumbass Christian would say.

Again, prove this or admit you're just making up more bs to defend your argument.

This is as bad as your EU argument in the other thread, they are not the same thing at all.

So what. Scientists and atheists don't have a God who wrote a book outlining exactly how YOU are supposed to think and behave. This argument

has failed miserably Rod, you're just yanking a straws now.

Well, at least you've got one sensible thing to say.

Or is your issue about whether or not there are actually militant atheists?

the term originated from a comment Richard Dawkins made

But am I wrong?

The term dumbass

you think Christians have to agree on everything

No, they tend to write their own books on how WE are supposed to think and behave.

And no where to be found in that low-income urban neighborhood I was talking about.

Beyond Belief is affiliated with a group called Minnesota Atheists

But yes, they are promoting atheism

They're pretty clear that they want people of religion to alter their religious beliefs to conform to the way the want society to be.

Nope, it's actually a pejorative term bestowed on some atheists by alarmed conservatives and theists. There is no term universally used among atheists themselves. In general, these are atheists who "don't know their place". They're activists, energetically pushing back against the encroachment of religious symbology, beliefs, and legislation into the common space. They file suits against local governments that allow the Ten Commandments to adorn their walls and which endorse manger scenes on their lawns at Christmas. They complain and litigate against prayers opening public business meetings. And so forth. This naturally infuriates the theistic majority, which assumes that they can always retain the power they've enjoyed until now. Consequently they have tried to smear the atheistic efforts by calling them "militant" and styling themselves as innocent victims of overly aggressive troublemakers.

You're certainly not right.

Of course, they should, if they don't then they are against the word of their God. This is the problem faced by multiple denominations, they show just how stupid they are by deciding what their God says as opposed to what their God demands of them. Christians fail miserably at understanding this simple concept.

If you refer to scientists, then that's just another really dumb thing to say.

Notice that you are talking about some other organization that I did not refer, which means you have created a Strawman Argument, most likely because you can't form a valid argument.

Well there is a big difference. I think militant atheists are an extreme minority.

Militant atheists are not interested in equality in terms of constitutional religious freedom.

that's why militant atheists

get panic attacks when seeing a manger. They're afraid someone will convert to Christianity.

some militant atheists are so nutty they would rather support a statue of Satan on government property