"Religious Freedom" = Discrimination = Hate

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@3RU7AL

It is not only irrational to begin with, but also inconsistent with the idea that "religious freedom" can be equated with hate.   That is, unless you hate freedom of religion.
Observing the Sabbath is not hateful.
Feeding the homeless is not hateful.
Praying for gods grace is not hateful.

Only excluding and shaming people for non-criminal behavior is hateful.


If you stop hating, then you can do whatever else you want and nobody will object.
You know what else is hateful? The idea behind presuming that someone is hateful before you understand what happened, over and over, even when you are informed to the contrary.
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@3RU7AL

It is not only irrational to begin with, but also inconsistent with the idea that "religious freedom" can be equated with hate.   That is, unless you hate freedom of religion.
Observing the Sabbath is not hateful.
Feeding the homeless is not hateful.
Praying for gods grace is not hateful.

Only excluding and shaming people for non-criminal behavior is hateful.


If you stop hating, then you can do whatever else you want and nobody will object.
You know what else is hateful? The idea behind presuming that someone is hateful before you understand what happened, over and over, even when you are informed to the contrary.
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You know what else is hateful? The idea behind presuming that someone is hateful before you understand what happened, over and over, even when you are informed to the contrary. 
If you're not hateful, then how is "everyone play nice" going to interfere with your freedom?
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I've noticed they have black peoples churches and white peoples churches.
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It is not just about my freedom, and I do hate. I am not hateful towards others, which is something I cannot say for the figure I am referencing.
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If your intention by passing a law is to screw over a certain group, say, white supremacists, and that law happens to screw over other groups incidentally... you are treating dandruff by decapitation.
Well, I am a pretty big advocate for applying the same exact principles to everyone equally.

If everyone is forced to "play nice" that would unfortunately also include the Christians...
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There are still segregated churches to, where one community by and large attends one service, and another community attends a separate one.
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I've noticed they have black peoples churches and white peoples churches.
If an individual Church gets to be more than 10% of another race, they will usually split.

Most Churches include a few members of other races, but only below 10%.

The Southern Baptists split from the National Baptist Convention, specifically because they wanted to restrict the role of black members.

Here's a list of Christian denominations and other religions sorted by racial diversity, [LINK]
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It is not just about my freedom, and I do hate. I am not hateful towards others, which is something I cannot say for the figure I am referencing.
Let me guess.

You "hate the sin and love the sinner"?

Well, I "hate the hate and love the hater who stops hating".
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I am satisfied with imagining autonomous afults 
I think that's the problem.

There is no way to guarantee that people will act like adults.
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Maybe it doesn't effect your freedom. And maybe you don't understand why we don't have women priests, but that doesn't mean we should be held to your standards of playing nice. Maybe your idea of playing nice is actually not so very nice to us.
Please explain.
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Our religion isn't to play nice. It is to sincerely be nice.

Our religion is love, and true love. Pure love. 

We know what we are doing. We don't need the interference of a perverse and wicked government to tell us how to do what we have been for thousands of years.
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@Mopac
No one is saying you can't prohibit women priests. Feel free. I don't really care what the reason is, because I don't recognize the authority behind the reasoning (Invisible Jesus). Not my business, and if women complain in your church about it, then they should exercise their freedom to leave your church permanently, and find someplace more inclusive, I'd encourage them to do so. But you cannot go to work in a public place and refuse to hire women because you don't think women should have equal opportunity OUTSIDE OF YOUR CHURCH. 
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We don't need the interference of a perverse and wicked government to tell us how to do what we have been for thousands of years.

Please let the government know you'd like to renounce all of the tax benefits they give you. Or start a colony someplace. 
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@Mopac
Our religion isn't to play nice. It is to sincerely be nice.

Our religion is love, and true love. Pure love. 
This sounds amazing!!

So what part of your magic textbook says you can't bake a gay wedding cake?
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Listen to yourself.
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Listen to yourself.
Please be more specific.
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I thought the Christians were all totally 100% against "compelled speech"
I'm not sure we can justify this statement with facts but it doesn't really matter since the law does not distinguish between those who do and those that do not hold such a belief. 

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So what part of your magic textbook says you can't bake a gay wedding cake?
You know that is not how it works.
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If it means anything, I'd just bake the cake.


I still believe someone has a right not to.
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If it means anything else, I helped organize a memorial service for a friend who was into that lgbt lifestyle.


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There is no way to guarantee that people will act like adults.
That's the problem of our times and that's the beauty of it.
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If it means anything, I'd just bake the cake.
That is very meaningful.

I still believe someone has a right not to.
Right, but why?  Could they reasonably refuse to bake a cake for an interracial wedding or perhaps the wedding of devout Taoists?
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If it means anything else, I helped organize a memorial service for a friend who was into that lgbt lifestyle.
That sounds very compassionate of you.

But do you believe they should be excluded from certain activities like marriage and adoption?
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There is no way to guarantee that people will act like adults.
That's the problem of our times and that's the beauty of it. 
Please explain.
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I believe in a private businesss right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. 


The kind of standard you think should apply to private businesses,  maybe clubs, or even churches... I think should be applied to government and government contractors. 

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@Mopac

If it means anything else, I helped organize a memorial service for a friend who was into that lgbt lifestyle.


Even though you'd guess that person was going to hell?
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@3RU7AL
Let me guess.


You "hate the sin and love the sinner"?


Well, I "hate the hate and love the hater who stops hating".
I have heard but don't relate well to that phrase. The person I have heard it from happened to run a religiously oriented business and employed someone open to unusual sexuality who was struggling with depression, and kept supporting them through everything they needed to do, at personal cost.
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I believe in a private businesss right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. 
This would abolish the civil rights act and the Americans with disabilities act.

If you want to pick and choose your customers, OPEN A PRIVATE CLUB.

If you run a business that is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC you must serve the public.

Right, and your person and your home and vehicle are essentially a PRIVATE CLUB.

So, don't start panicking that we're going to force you to make friends with the immigrants and the gays...
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I am not trying to effect the law.


In fact, I religiously abstain from voting

Stay out of my church, that is what I really care about. Don't force us to adopt kids to perverts either.