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@disgusted
It is the truth that there is no truth! Prove to me that it is true that there is truth!
Happy zombie Jesus day everyone!
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@Mopac
Answer my question, don't run away.
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@Mopac
You say God doesn't exist
Incorrect. I say you have not demonstrated that any god(s) exist. This is a very important distinction.
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@secularmerlin
What do you think is up with Mopac?
He uses big words to make his point seem more than what it actually is. Which is very simply begging the question mixed in with deflection or misrepresenting the other side.
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@TheRealNihilist
As far as I can tell Mopac had two definitions for god. The one he uses if anyone asks him for ebidence or disagrees with him and then the definition that actually describes the god he believes in.
The first definition amounts to god=truth=reality. If this was the truly his only definition then it would be hard to argue with because it gives no definite attributes this could be defining simple natural processes and just calling them god. That is not really what Mopac means however and that is where the second definition comes in.
I'm not sure that he has ever shared this more complete definition with me in its entirety since any time it is questioned he retreats back to his first tautologically true definition. From what I have been able to gather however Mopac believes that god is a being with agency that experiences emotions such as love anger and regret that is all powerful all knowing and omnipresent but which provides freewill.
He defends both definitions based on arguments that only actually apply to the first definition but makes arguments about other topics using the second definition as though it were a given but again if anyone disagrees with his arguments he retreats to his first definition.
And now you know Mopac's deal... at least as much as I do.
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@TheRealNihilist
On a separate note I fully expect him to object to my last post. Possibly based on his first definition.
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@secularmerlin
I got that feeling too.
With what he said here:
It is the truth that there is no truth! Prove to me that it is true that there is truth!
Basically God is truth. Whereas here:
What we do know of God has been revealed to us to whom it has been revealed. The Church certainly has this Revelation of God.
God is now a person.
There are other examples where I can pick to see even more definitions but it is clear that he is using more than one definition of God. I don't think he knows it but I await his response that more than likely have very little substance more so acting like he was living when the Bible was created.
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@TheRealNihilist
I'm sure he will be along to object to our sidebar as soon as he sees it.
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@secularmerlin
@TheRealNihilist
If either of you really wanted to know, you would show some charity and ditch the cynicism.
If you dispute everything, it retards your education. In the end, a foundation cannot even be laid, let alone a house. It is the wickedness within your own hearts that shuts you off from the Kingdom of God.
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@Mopac
You should ditch calling me a "fool" for not agreeing with something you have given me no good reason to believe in.If either of you really wanted to know, you would show some charity and ditch the cynicism.
If you dispute everything, it retards your education.
I am simply asking you to explain your point or provide evidence. Not my fault you can't even do that and it is also your fault to even expect me to be able to understand you without an explanation or evidence.
It is the wickedness within your own hearts that shuts you off from the Kingdom of God.
I guess I am a bad person because I ask for an explanation and/or evidence.
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@TheRealNihilist
You don't really want to hear what I am saying. That is why you are inquiring with impure intentions.
And so I have nothing to offer you.
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@Mopac
I have nothing to offer you.
Not so far no.
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@Mopac
I ask you to clarify your position but you think I am lying. The problem is with you not me.You don't really want to hear what I am saying. That is why you are inquiring with impure intentions.
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@Mopac
you would show some charity
Charity? You mean with my belief? What is the functional difference between being charitable about believing things that have not been demonstrated and being gullible?
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@secularmerlin
You have nothing to lose by believing me, and much understanding to gain.
By refusing to believe me, you make it impossible for you to understand.
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@Mopac
Please answer my question before moving on to a new topic just this once.
What is the FUNCTIONAL difference between being charitable about believing things that CANNOT be DEMONSTRATED and being GULLIBLE.
I have even emphasized the important words so you know exactly what I am asking you to adddress.
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@Mopac
How is atheism self defeating?
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@secularmerlin
I don't think you understand that it is necessary to believe in order to learn. You don't learn by disputing everything the teacher says. If you did this, you would never have learned how to read.
I can't show you how to read if you keep disputing me on what the letters mean. It is not gullible to show charity for the sake of learning.
Really though, truthfully, you are gullible for accepting the great lie of the devil that God doesn't absolutely without a doubt exist.
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@Mopac
Only when someone out of their own God given free will chooses to repent of their iniquity and accept Christ into their heart does that healing work begin.
Do you claim that a person can choose the opposite of what god knows will be his choice and do you claim this is free will?
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@disgusted
Things that aren't going to happen don't happen.
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@Mopac
Questioning a premise exhaustively is actually exactly the way humans learn, through trial and error. You come to know something by first questioning its validity and then discovering that the premise is in fact valid.
If there is a way of establishing something's validity without first questioning thay validity then you will have to detail the process and demonstrate how it differs from other belief systems that also claim to be devine revelation of truth or Truth if you like.
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@Mopac
Thus sounds like either determinism or fatalism. Both positions are inconsistent with the idea of freewill. If this is not your argument please explain the FUNCTIONAL DETECTABLE DIFFERENCE between these positions and yours.Things that aren't going to happen don't happen.
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@Mopac
So there is no such thing as free will, your god has determined what will happen and that's the end of it. How do you maintain belief in two diametrically opposed beliefs like that?
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@secularmerlin
You reach God through purifying the nous, not mental gymnastics.
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@disgusted
God preceeds time, and exists both before and after it. God is not time bound. It is no strange thing that God gave us the ability to choose while still knowing the beginning and end of all things.
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@Mopac
So what is it that is going to happen? Is it what god knows?
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@Mopac
Call it whatever insane thing you want, the fact is that this is one of the few forums in which you're welcome and protected. It's hilarious, trolls are welcomed here. Any forum that isn't run by idiots would ban you immediately. In fact, many others here who do nothing more than troll these forums with nonsense would get banned. That's how well run forums operate. That's why this forum is full of trolls.Calling for me to be banned is the equivalent of calling for my death on a forum.
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@secularmerlin
Lol. Sorry Sec, I wan't aware that banging your head against a stone wall was something you enjoyed. Carry on.Please answer my question before moving on to a new topic just this once.
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@Mopac
Things that aren't going to happen don't happen.Thus sounds like either determinism or fatalism. Both positions are inconsistent with the idea of freewill. If this is not your argument please explain the FUNCTIONAL DETECTABLE DIFFERENCE between these positions and yours.You reach God through purifying the nous, not mental gymnastics.
If using the fact that things that aren't going to happen don't happen in any way justifies a belief in freewill please explain the FUNCTIONAL DETECTABLE DIFFERENCE between mental gymnastics and your prefered method.
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@secularmerlin
Part of purifying the nous is purifying your intensions.
You are not ready.