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@RationalMadman
if you are going to state the lack of omnipotence of God, i will use scripture to counterfeit it.
Does God Fore ordain? or only see the future and react to it?
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@Melcharaz
Okay, do you understand what a Pagan is?
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@RationalMadman
according to scripture or modern interpretation?
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@Melcharaz
Your scripture is the scripture of what is nearly the devil to my religion, so no not according to your scripture.
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@RationalMadman
in that case, basically anyone who isn't a christian or a jew.
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@Melcharaz
LOL! Muslims are Pagans?! LOL!
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@RationalMadman
yep, they don't believe in the God i believe in.
pagan
- n.One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially an adherent of a polytheistic religion in antiquity.
- n.A Neo-Pagan.
- n.Offensive One who has no religion.
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@Melcharaz
Did you actually read the list on your definition? LOL!
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@RationalMadman
I did! I was giving my interpretation of paganism and then the modern version.
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@Melcharaz
LOL! Muslims are Pagans?! LOL!
- RM
- Melcharazyep, they don't believe in the God i believe in.
IN THE SAME MESSAGE:
pagann.One who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, especially an adherent of a polytheistic religion in antiquity.
- Melcharaz
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@RationalMadman
yes, i already went over this. are you trying to prove a point?
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@Melcharaz
Do you realize this is self-contradictory? Fate, by definition, cannot be changed. You might as well be arguing that triangles have four sides.There is the possibility of changing your fate however, not in the sense of God, but in the sense of physical.
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@Stronn
perception of fate. For we don't know our predetermined nature.
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@Melcharaz
I already addressed that. Ignorance of our fate does not mean we have choice.Choice, by definition, requires two or more possible futures. If there is only one possible future, whether we know what it is or not, then there is no choice. Any choice is just an illusion.
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@Stronn
can you cite for certain that you are predestined to burn in hell?
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@Melcharaz
No, because I don't believe in predestination. Or an omniscient God. I'm merely pointing out that a God who knows the future implies predestination, which implies a lack of choice.
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@Stronn
If you cannot prove that this God does not exist, then you are bound by this as much as everyone else, If this is the case, why not attempt to learn about what a predestined fate is? at the very least, learn of this God who may or may not have determined your life and end.
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@Melcharaz
can you cite for certain that you are predestined to burn in hell?
That is the claim made by your beliefs, why do you deny it?
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@Melcharaz
According to your beliefs your god has definitely determined the afterlife of everyone before he creates them and unless your god can be proven wrong by his creations then they have no choice.
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@Melcharaz
Lack of disproof isn't any sort of proof. Lots of silly things can't be disproven. Last Thursdayism, for instance--the idea that the entire universe came into being last Thursday, but was made to look older, complete with a false history and even false memories planted in us of times before last Thursday.
Learning more about particular religions might be interesting from an anthropological standpoint, but claims that God has attributes that are logically contradictory should be rejected out of hand.
none of you can disprove a God, none of you know if you are going to heaven or hell, because you cannot forsee the events of the future. So, that being stated, why do you insist on fighting a God thats doing everything he can to keep you and help you? You don't understand that the sinful nature you are in right now? can be a thousand times worse, there have been people who started out loving and caring and life went by and they kill others without remorse, this is a restraining grace of God that we aren't all murderers, its the prevailing grace of God that you have life this day.
With that, i am done arguing, unless you can disproof fatalism or prove God doesn't exist, the burden is now on each of you to reject or accept God as you don't know your destiny.
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@Melcharaz
I think many gave up on "Gods help" when he caused the deaths of over a quarter million people in a tsunami. The date was most appropriate that God let us know it was indeed him, the day after his birthday; December 26. Many upstanding Christians lost their lives that day.So, that being stated, why do you insist on fighting a God thats doing everything he can to keep you and help you?
As you can see, it's easy to fight a God who murders so many, so easily, so cruely and without warning.
You don't understand that the sinful nature you are in right now?
I am not in any sinful nature whatsoever. That is just your God's excuse to murder people whenever he gets the inkling to do so.
this is a restraining grace of God that we aren't all murderers
Sorry, but none of us are murderers and none of us has anything to do with your God. Of course, the history of your God is filled with murdering innocent people in his name. Have you forgotten all about that?
prove God doesn't exist, the burden is now on each of you
Out of the many stupid things you've said thus far, that is probably the stupidest.
In the same way, please prove Leprechauns don't race Unicorns in the Kentucky Derby. The burden of proof is on you.
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@Melcharaz
I'll try to summarize your argument. We don't know the future and we can't disprove a God exists, therefore we should ignore any logical contradictions and accept your particular version of Christianity..That's pretty much it.
Don't be surprised if people find this less than persuasive.
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@Stronn
Logic its self is only determined by our own belief in observation, This world we think we know is but a piece of the invisible made manifest, there are realms that only the spirit can touch, as humanity comes closer to understanding, by then it will be too late, the darkness will seize this world and the very God that is mocked, misunderstood and denied will be our only salvation.
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@Melcharaz
Sorry, but bald assertions with no justification are not convincing.
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@Stronn
neither is your disproof.
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@Melcharaz
the darkness will seize this world and the very God that is mocked, misunderstood and denied will be our only salvation.
That's when the Dish runs away with the Spoon.
ABRAHAMIC... ????...........A Comic Book Series.... featuring the JEW GOD of MOSES.....invented 1400 years before the JESUS HOAX...then 600 years after the JESUS boy GOD hoax was murdered by ROME per the JEWS demands...some illiterate MUHAMMAD ARAB guy has his version of the "(Moses meets GOD moment") and VOILA ! ALLAH is the GOD of GODS !
THE TRUTH of Abrahamic RELIGIONS = All 3.....JEW - JESUS - ALLAH... are human invented fabricated Comic Book HOAXES...all 3 are STOLEN
and TWISTED versions of other GOD stories and Religions of the Middle East region going back 3000
years BEFORE the JEW God shows up ! let alone the JESUS and ALLAH GOD invented GARBAGE...
The TIMELINE of history over the last 10,000 years proves beyond any doubt how the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD hoaxes ARE nothing more than
twisted versions of other GODS in human history...GODS ? thousands of them have come and gone just like COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS...the
difference with the ABRAHAMIC GOD GARBAGE is how world class PSYCHOPATH MIND and LIFE MOLESTERS use them as SCAPEGOATS
to enslave the masses of deliberately DUMBED DOWN human ASSES....
THE RESULT....= Unprecedented DEATH and DESTRUCTION using the JEW - JESUS - ALLAH GOD invented HOAXES to THIS DAY !
None of the CON ARTIST VAMPIRE SCUM Religious Circus Clowns in Halloween Glory Gowns is concerned with HUMAN and EARTH
WELL BEING..these are OLD MEN acting like a GOD...playing games with the minds and lives of others for POWER and CONTROL
these HUMAN Bible/Torah/Koran spewing PARASITE VAMPIRES are the greatest THREAT to HUMAN - ANIMAL - EARTH....they despise the
OPEN MINDED curious HUMAN and demand total OBEDIENCE to horrifically OBSOLETE and OPPRESSIVE DOGMA they invent and attach
to their FAKE GOD HOAXES....
Sadly due to the HYPNOSIS PSYCHOSIS these Parasite GOD preaching VAMPIRES induce using FEAR - INTIMIDATION - VIOLENCE as TOOLS
in the name of their totally ASININE God invented HOAXES...the weak and feeble minded humans fall for the ILLUSION that they will SUFFER for
all eternity when they DROP DEAD..unless the SERVE the PARASITES without question..including the MURDER and TORTURE of all who do not
accept and OBEY them.....
So...where the FCK IS THEIR GOD ? to save these pathetic creatures under the spell of the Parasite VAMPIRES they serve first ? NOWHERE
All 3 Abrahamic GOD HOAXES remain INVISIBLE and OUT OF TOUCH....what a SCAM....
SOLUTION ? YES....relegate these 3 STOOGE GOD hoaxes to MYTHOLOGY like they have done to all the other GODS humans invented...
...like ZEUS...ODIN....APOLLO...and thousands more who are no longer USED as GODS by the Parasite VAMPIRES for power and control
.......NO HUMAN EVER needs to be validated and approved to EXIST and DIE by some Parasite VAMPIRE preacher in a Halloween Glory Gown
who plays GOD but ...eats...sleeps...sits on a toilet...and DIES like all other humans...WHAT a DISGUSTING JOKE on HUMANITY these Clowns
of the Abrahamic GOD HOAXES truly are....
Save HUMANITY and EARTH by ridding the planet of these 3 Abrahamic DISEASE...GOD inventions...reduce them to the Comic Book GARBAGE
they truly are and FORGET....going forward....as humanity has done with all the other GODS and RELIGIONS before them.....
258 days later
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@Melcharaz
A little late on this one, but it popped up at the top of the forum.
The doctrine of double predestination is a Calvinist innovation that has never had church acceptance. In fact, Calvinism in general, to my knowledge, is the only reformation school of thought that has been officially declared heretical by the Orthodox Church!(see "The Confession of Dositheus" from the synod of Jerusalem 1672)
Besides, it is really silly to take a couple questionably interpreted scriptures out of context to deny free will when the vast majority of scripture tells us to repent and choose to go with God.
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@Melcharaz
Your god was invented a couple of thousand years ago, go from there.