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@TheRealNihilist
The point is that if it takes a skilled politician to improve the economy, then the economy should be tanking right now under no proper leadership.
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@Greyparrot
Do you trust Mueller? Why is he quiet?
I don't have evidence to believe otherwise.
I didn't see the message the first time which is why I am replying to it now.
The point is that if it takes a skilled politician to improve the economy, then the economy should be tanking right now under no proper leadership.
Obama did something. Trump took office. Those laws are still in place which means no the economy doesn't tank if the person who started it was not there any-more. I can use a hypothetical if you want.
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@TheRealNihilist
What exact laws did Trump allow to stand? Even if you can find these elusive laws, my point still stands. If there is no proper leadership in the white house, how are these specific elusive laws allowed to stand where others were completely eviscerated during Trump's maniacal purge of Obama's legacy?
Explain it.
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@TheRealNihilist
Here is a good video explaining how Pakman is a cheerleader for the left elites.
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@TheRealNihilist
Why do you think Mueller is quiet?
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@Greyparrot
What exact laws did Trump allow to stand?
That should be enough. the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is one.
how are these specific elusive laws allowed to stand where others were completely eviscerated during Trump's maniacal purge of Obama's legacy?
What purge? Evidence is appreciated.
I watch Pakman to keep up with the news. I do check to see if he is correct with the evidence and he hasn't been wrong since. I don't want to watch a video about a conspiracy theory. I would like to look at the evidence but I did scroll through the video and not at one point or even the comment section did he provide evidence which I am assuming his position would be for the set rich conspiracy. Do you have evidence for the conspiracy?
Who are the left elites?
Here is what David was upset that HA Goodman was on:
Why do you think Mueller is quiet?
Don't know. He has done his job and I think wants to remain a professional instead of what Comey did which was go on various shows to advertise his book but maybe Mueller also has a book in the works. I have to see it to believe it.
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@TheRealNihilist
What purge? Evidence is appreciated.
there's 1579 things you can follow up on if you really have the time.
Now answer the question and try to think longer than a minute on the answer.
How are these specific laws allowed to stand where others were completely eviscerated during an incompetent Trump's maniacal purge of Obama's legacy?
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@Greyparrot
Use the filter to put it place around 2018-09-07 till 2019-04-07.
You will see a decrease in GDP when this law was announced (fall 2018). It was stated in the source you gave " amending and eliminating regulations that are ineffective, duplicative, and obsolete, the Administration can promote economic growth and innovation and protect individual liberty." From what I gather sure Trump removed laws but made the economy worse. Guess he did ruin what Obama stated.
How are these specific elusive laws allowed to stand where others were completely eviscerated during an incompetent Trump's maniacal purge of Obama's legacy?
Can you make this simpler don't understand what you mean here?
The question I am assuming the direction it may go is not important. When Trump did what he did it made the economy worse. Going against the very reason this was done which was "economic growth" in which the opposite occurred. What do you have to say to that?
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@TheRealNihilist
The economy should be in negative growth if Trump was incompetent. Why is Trump allowing the growth to continue under Obama laws and regulations?
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@Greyparrot
I will allow you to pick the law you think helped the economy since I don't want to put in the time to see when it was announced and see with my source if it improved the economy. Doubtful but you can find 1 law which improved the economy.
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@Greyparrot
Negative growth? I just showed you with the link. When those regulations were removed there was a decrease in GDP for US economy. Where is your evidence to support that de-regulation helped the economy? I care about the outcome of what Trump does and by looking at the outcome it decreased GDP growth. Your question is not important.The economy should be in negative growth if Trump was incompetent. Why is Trump allowing the growth to continue under Obama laws and regulations?
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@TheRealNihilist
Don't know. He has done his job and I think wants to remain a professional instead of what Comey did which was go on various shows to advertise his book but maybe Mueller also has a book in the works. I have to see it to believe it.
I agree, Mueller has been far more professional than Comey. So far.
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@Greyparrot
That remains to be seen if he does continue to be like that. Agree that Mueller is more professional.I agree, Mueller has been far more professional than Comey. So far.
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@TheRealNihilist
Not talking about a negative rate of increase. I mean an actual negative rate of GDP growth, which is what you would expect from an incompetent president. You certainly would never expect a 3% increase in GDP from an incompetent president, no matter how many Obama laws and regulations remained untouched. You would expect a negative %.
An incompetent president while slashing over 1500 Obama regulations should at least by blind dumb luck if not incompetence, should have managed to remove the Obama regulations that were improving the GDP. Why isn't the economy tanking under an incompetent president?
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@Greyparrot
I mean an actual negative rate of GDP growth, which is what you would expect from an incompetent president.
He is a bad president. Thankfully he is not doing worse. Is that what you want me to say?
You certainly would never expect a 3% increase in GDP from an incompetent president,
If it was down to Trump can you name me something Trump did in order for that increase instead of me chopping it to the economy working in-spite of what Trump did?
You would expect a negative %.
Why?
An incompetent president while slashing 1500 Obama regulations should at least by blind dumb luck if not incompetence, should have managed to remove the Obama regulations that were improving the GDP. Why isn't the economy tanking under an incompetent president?
Where did you get 1,500 from?
Regulation depends on if the government enforces it. If Trump basically said no were not enforcing a regulation from Obama it would be the same result. Guess Trump said I want to remove 1500 and did. The economy GDP was reduced. My claim was not that it would be in the negative. Trump can still be an incompetent president while not destroying United States economy.
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@Greyparrot
From what I see since the second Quarter of 2018 there has been a decrease in GDP when comparing it to the third Quarter and the fourth one. Did you not see the graph? It is going down.
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@TheRealNihilist
Trump can still be an incompetent president while not destroying United States economy.
Well there it is. An admission that the economy has nothing to do with the competence of the president.
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@TheRealNihilist
It should be negative, not ranges between 2 % and 4 %
3% average GDP growth doesn't show incompetence. Negative % would. Maybe even 1% average would.
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@Greyparrot
Well there it is. An admission that the economy has nothing to do with the competence of the president.
Trump did something and the GDP was reduced. I showed you evidence yet you are still denying it. I would consider destroying the economy as the economy reducing to 1% GDP growth depending on if the GDP was higher than 2% or more.
It should be negative, not ranges between 2 % and 4 %
My graph showed a decrease. A decrease from before is enough to say Trump with what he did has made the economy worse at that very point with that specific thing.
3% average GDP growth doesn't show incompetence. Negative % would. Maybe even 1% average would.
Where are you getting this number? The link states this:
"The Bureau emphasized that the fourth-quarter initial estimate released today is based on source data that are incomplete or subject to further revision by the source agency (see “Source Data for the Initial Estimate” on page 3). Updated estimates for the fourth quarter, based on more complete data, will be released on March 28, 2019."
Where is the improved version?
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@TheRealNihilist
Because by the Obama standard, 2% average GDP growth is showing extreme competence.
Trump would have to have an average GDP far lower than 2% to be deemed incompetent. Certainly nowhere near 3% average GDP growth.
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@Greyparrot
How is this fair? You are comparing the GDP of an 8 year president compared to a president who has not finished his first year. I would like to know the average when Trump has completed his 4 years then the public can compare Obama's last year with Trump's year.Because by the Obama standard, 2% average GDP growth is showing extreme competence.
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@TheRealNihilist
fair enough, although it's not looking too hot with the current 3% average GDP growth. Assuming you are hoping the president fails.
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@Greyparrot
My claim was that the credit of starting the positive trend in the economy should be given to Obama. Doesn't mean Trump can't improve the economy as well but Obama had to deal with the recession which I don't find something comparable to what Trump has dealt with. Due to the recession it has made Obama's average GDP look bad I think.fair enough, although it's not looking too hot with the current 3% average GDP growth. Assuming you are hoping the president fails.
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@TheRealNihilist
Yah, but it's not very logical to claim someone incompetent that hasn't shown growth numbers worse than Obama's average (assuming Obama was extremely overcompetant.) That would mean an average competent person would have stayed the course. An incompetent person should have tanked the economy far below 2% growth. By Obama standards of course.
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@Greyparrot
I call Trump incompetent because of his tweets. I apologise if it looked like it was based on economy. It can be but it would be based on specifics rather then GDP because Obama had to deal with a recession.Yah, but it's not very logical to claim someone incompetent that hasn't shown growth numbers worse than Obama's average
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@TheRealNihilist
I agree with you, Trump is horrible with his tactless tweeting, but I guess that has a lot to do with growing up in New York, as most people there are are very rude and blunt.
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@Greyparrot
Someone should take his phone away.I agree with you, Trump is horrible with his tactless tweeting,
but I guess that has a lot to do with growing up in New York, as most people there are are very rude and blunt.
I am on the fence on whether or not I would consider Trump a racist. On one hand he says something like there were good people in Charlottesville which I consider a dog-whistle to white-nationalist but on the other hand I can't really blame him for the environment he was born into and the intent behind what Trump says that can be perceived as hate speech I would consider it to not be hateful instead his background playing a role when he is in office.
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@TheRealNihilist
I'd be more upset if Trump did not condemn the actual radical supremacist protesters in Charlottesville. I don't really care about his ham-handed attempt at nuance by claiming some of the people there were not racists. He did the same thing with Mexico when he said they were sending their worst over the border, but he also said he assumed some of them were good. Ham handed nuance, not crafty calculated malice.
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@Greyparrot
I'd be more upset if Trump did not condemn the actual radical supremacist protesters in Charlottesville.
I think he did condemn the people at Charlottesville but doing the both sides meme is really not called for when these people are advocating for a very large portion of the population to be removed form where they have lived as US citizens and deport them to a country where more than likely they are not accustomed to.
He did the same thing with Mexico when he said they were sending their worst over the border, but he also said he assumed some of them were good.
This was also an awful saying. A person is really not meant to say what he thinks instead knows. If he had evidence to support this it would greatly improve his side but I am sure his message went on the lines of I think Mexico are not sending their best or something. I wish he had evidence to prove this or kept his opinions to himself and stated the typical good talk that immigration is a boom to the economy but he was more bucking on being against immigration so I don't see how he could have not got a reaction from saying that.
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@TheRealNihilist
Watch the uncut footage sometime. You may actually be impressed that in real life, Trump was actually more nuanced than everyone else. If that statement is what I'm thinking of, it is ironically one of the few times I think Trump said something reminiscent of leadership, in real time. Literally, the exact opposite way of viewing things from a racist perspective, and absolutely impossible to perceive as a dog whistle. I wonder what it is like actually working with all the money grubbers who spread the misinformation on that one. Some people I guess just waste their life like that.