How humanist are you?

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Hi Lemming.

Take human and stick ist on the end.

Should be self explanatory.

Everyone is a human first and a theist second.

It's innate.

Though some like to think otherwise.
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Humanism often 'goes for a certain type of behavior though,
Torturing other humans for example, is not seen as very 'humane, I think.
Even if the torturer and torturee are human.

Course one could argue Humanism is about 'maximizing Humans,
But again, I think them mean maximizing in a 'specific way.
Just having kids isn't what people think of with Humanism, I think.
Humanism is usually about maximizing what some people see as 'good 'for humans.
Happiness, basic necessities, kindness.
. . .

But as you say,
"Everyone is a human first and a theist second."

While I think I agree with that,
It doesn't really allow Humanism much room to 'replace other Isims in many peoples minds and lives.
. . .
What I mean by that is, even accounting it as innate and part of all humans,
That feels a bit as it not 'mattering a 'bit in what people 'choose.
. . . All toy cars have wheels,
But kids may prefer the green toy cars, or the toy car with flames.
. . .
Though I suppose if a religion/culture/philosophy was 'missing humanism, people might not follow it.
As a kid might not play with a car lacking wheels.
. . . . .

I don't know, maybe the 'branding sounds unappealing to me,
Such as if 'every Religion called themselves Humanists, rather than their various labels.
. . . They all have ideas of what it 'means to maximize the human experience.
Humanism, feels a bit like calling a movement Kindness.
Seems 'odd to me somehow,
But worked for the Hippies for a time, perhaps. Followers of Peace and Love and whatnot.
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Thing is, one can realise ideals if there is money in the bank.

Otherwise there is only the grim reality of human survival.
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@zedvictor4
Hi Lemming.

Take human and stick ist on the end.

Should be self explanatory.

Everyone is a human first and a theist second.

It's innate.

Though some like to think otherwise.
You need to be a human first to accept sin. Then become a theist to overcome sin.
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Hm, your meaning escapes me.

Do you mean that people can only realize ideals when they have money in the bank,
When their basic needs are met?

Or do you mean that just 'living and basic needs are not enough for the human?
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@Lemming
Hm, your meaning escapes me.

Do you mean that people can only realize ideals when they have money in the bank,
When their basic needs are met?

Or do you mean that just 'living and basic needs are not enough for the human?


People act to fulfill needs. Maslow's theory explained that every person is born with a set of basic needs: (1) physiological, (2) safety (3) belongingness or love, (4) self-esteem, and (5) self-actualization. He theorized that higher needs emerge as the lower-level needs are met.
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Thing is, we talk about this sort of stuff as if we have an infinite amount of time and nothing more pressing to do.

Whereas if we consider a day and our basic requirements therein, there is very little time and resources left to fritter on anything other than humanism.

Being human, in other words.


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"Thing is, we talk about this sort of stuff as if we have an infinite amount of time and nothing more pressing to do."
We don't have an infinite amount of time, I get that.

Whereas if we consider a day and our basic requirements therein, there is very little time and resources left to fritter on anything other than humanism.
Being human, in other words.
I get that we often have a lot of time in the day, that we spend on activities such as working for others, buying food, making food, eating, sleeping.
Then we have some time left,
Which we spend being human?

But I don't get that, isn't all the earlier stuff human stuff as well?
The meaning of this #37 and #33 still escape me.

I assume Humanistic Organizations usually have the goals of making specific human activities and standards of life more prevalent.


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@Lemming
I went to a humanist wedding awhile back, which in essence was no different to either a civic or religious ceremony.

Just different words.

The human effort was the same.


The money reference was just pointing out that to avoid some of the daily human grind, requires a monetary surplus.


I think that "humanist organisations" are just groups of people who think that they are somehow being radical and avant-garde.

Usually folk with a bit of disposable income, time on their hands and a certain acquired disposition.


Call me a cynic if you like.
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@Lemming
I assume Humanistic Organizations usually have the goals of making specific human activities and standards of life more prevalent.
People act to fulfill needs. Maslow's theory explained that every person is born with a set of basic needs: (1) physiological, (2) safety (3) belongingness or love, (4) self-esteem, and (5) self-actualization. He theorized that higher needs emerge as the lower-level needs are met.
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I 'do think it 'can be harder for humans to realize or live by their ideals, when in hardship.

“On the average, only those prisoners could keep alive who, after years of trekking from camp to camp, had lost all scruples in their fight for existence; they were prepared to use every means, honest and otherwise, even brutal force, theft, and betrayal of their friends, in order to save themselves. We who have come back, by the aid of many lucky chances or miracles - whatever one may choose to call them - we know: the best of us did not return.”
― Viktor E. Frankl, Man’s Search for Meaning

But I do not think them 'unable.

The Widow’s Offering
(Luke 21:1–4)
41As Jesus was sitting opposite the treasury, He watched the crowd putting money into it. And many rich people put in large amounts. 42Then one poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which amounted to a small fraction of a denarius.l
43Jesus called His disciples to Him and said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more than all the others into the treasury. 44For they all contributed out of their surplus, but she out of her poverty has put in all she had to live on.”

Interesting to hear about the Humanist Wedding,
I still think different Groups/Cultures have different laws and expectations of what Marriage entails.
. . . But I suppose the 'gist might often be similar.

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@Lemming
Yep, marriage is either a binding contract under State Law.

Or not worth the paper it's written on.


And the after party can either be a gluttonous piss up, or herbal tea and vegan canapes.

Perhaps the latter wouldn't encourage Dad dancing.


Nice chatting to you Lemming.

Good night.
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Yep, marriage is either a binding contract under State Law.

Or not worth the paper it's written on.
What about the marriages made in heaven?
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What about the marriages made in heaven?

Poetic fancy.
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Yep, marriage is either a binding contract under State Law.

Or not worth the paper it's written on.
What about the marriages made in heaven?

An idiom . = happy marriage. 

There are no marriages in heaven. 

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What about the marriages made in heaven?

An idiom . = happy marriage. 

There are no marriages in heaven. 

Matthew 19:6 
So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

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 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” unless you are a Trump.
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Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” unless you are a Trump.
Or an American billionaire.
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I think it is a Christian thing to have 5 kids with 3 different women.
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I'm no more humanist than a person in a penal prison.
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I think it is a Christian thing to have 5 kids with 3 different women.
You must be Muslim.
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What about the marriages made in heaven?

An idiom . = happy marriage. 

There are no marriages in heaven. 

Matthew 19:6 
So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”


 Matthew 22:30   For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
This my well be down to the fact that god being a jealous god wants those that reach heaven to love only him..... like the angels in heaven are said to do.
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Matthew 22:30   For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
This may well be down to the fact that god being a jealous god wants those that reach heaven to love only him..... like the angels in heaven are said to do.
Even God had to come down to earth to find love. He found Virgin Mary and immediately got her pregnant. 
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Even God had to come down to earth to find love. He found Virgin Mary and immediately got her pregnant. 
find
1: to come upon often accidentally

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Even God had to come down to earth to find love. He found Virgin Mary and immediately got her pregnant. 
find
1: to come upon often accidentally
God did not come upon Mary often or accidentally.
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God did not come upon Mary often or accidentally.
Snails have teeth
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God did not come upon Mary often or accidentally.
Snails have teeth
Mary didn’t show any bite marks.
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Incorrect spelling.

GOD came in not on.

Just the once or so the story goes.

Mr Omi-sensible hadn't invented condoms


Accidentally?

Nah, erection and copulation takes at least a couple of minutes.

Even for Mr Premature.


I bet that his name was Godfrey.

Godfrey Bigfellow.


Jesus Joe, I'm pregnant said Mary.

It's a miracle said daft Joe.
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Incorrect spelling.

GOD came in not on.

Just the once or so the story goes.

Mr Omi-sensible hadn't invented condoms
It was a one night stand.
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That is because God didn't have Jeffery Epstein working for him.