How humanist are you?

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@cristo71
To be clear:  humanism is not my least favorite worldview— I mean, I’m 100% humanist according to this!— I just take various issues with it as I have pointed out.
You are a selective humanist.
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I am not of the opinion that it is bad IF humans all share the same values and goals. I am saying that it is misguided to assume that humans globally share the same values and goals, which humanism appears to do. I am about living in the world as it is, not as I wish it were.
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I am not of the opinion that it is bad IF humans all share the same values and goals. I am saying that it is misguided to assume that humans globally share the same values and goals, which humanism appears to do. I am about living in the world as it is, not as I wish it were.
You would know better about the world you live in once you learn more about yourself which for now is labeled “unknown”.
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It can only be read in Arabic.#78

Is the Quran meant to be taken literally, Shila?  
Yes, it was Allah’s revelation to the prophet Mohammad. 

Well you see,  just with those two comments, you  fallen right into the same self dug  pit as those Christians that say to others that they "do not understand the bible because they do not speak, read or understand koine Greek"..  Because  by being in such a hurry to display their haughty  imagined biblical knowledge and after painting themselves into a corner,  they have condemned all bibles ever written in English to the rubbish bin. As you have with any Quran that has ever been written in English.
Do you see my point, Shila?



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Well you see,  just with those two comments, you  fallen right into the same self dug  pit as those Christians that say to others that they "do not understand the bible because they do not speak, read or understand koine Greek"..  Because  by being in such a hurry to display their haughty  imagined biblical knowledge and after painting themselves into a corner,  they have condemned all bibles ever written in English to the rubbish bin. As you have with any Quran that has ever been written in English.
Do you see my point, Shila?
There is a big difference between the Bible and Quran.

According to Islamic theology, the Qur'an is a revelation very specifically in Arabic, and so it should only be recited in Quranic Arabic. Translations into other languages are the work of humans and so, according to Muslims, no longer possess the uniquely sacred character of the Arabic original.

Translations of the Bible
Many Christians over the centuries have felt that in order for the Great Commission to be completed successfully it is important that the Bible should be available to 'all nations,' in their own languages. This has meant that the Bible has been translated into many languages.

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Well you see,  just with those two comments, you  fallen right into the same self dug  pit as those Christians that say to others that they "do not understand the bible because they do not speak, read or understand koine Greek"..  Because  by being in such a hurry to display their haughty  imagined biblical knowledge and after painting themselves into a corner,  they have condemned all bibles ever written in English to the rubbish bin. As you have with any Quran that has ever been written in English.
Do you see my point, Shila?
There is a big difference between the Bible and Quran.

According to Islamic theology, the Qur'an is a revelation very specifically in Arabic, and so it should only be recited in Quranic Arabic. Translations into other languages are the work of humans and so, according to Muslims, no longer possess the uniquely sacred character of the Arabic original.
Exactly my point.  Therefore one has to rely on the  the word  of the preacher  and his interpretation.  And any Quran written in English or any  language  other than Arabic may as well be consigned to the rubbish bin. 


Translations of the Bible
Many Christians over the centuries have felt that in order for the Great Commission to be completed successfully it is important that the Bible should be available to 'all nations,' in their own languages. This has meant that the Bible has been translated into many languages.
But still we the laymen theologist and or the devout Christian  that "doesn't know Koine Greek " are at the mercy of the Chaplain, the Pastor and the Priest that claims to understand  and able to read and speak the bible in its "original" language.

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But still we the laymen theologist and or the devout Christian  that "doesn't know Koine Greek " are at the mercy of the Chaplain, the Pastor and the Priest that claims to understand  and able to read and speak the bible in its "original" language.
Christianity was promoted as a universal religion by the Romans. The translation into local languages was necessary.
As of November 2024 the whole Bible has been translated into 756 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,726 languages, and smaller portions of the Bible have been translated into 1,274 other languages according to Wycliffe Global Alliance.

But Islam was a revelation from Allah to Mohammad.
Why is the Quran only written in Arabic?
According to Islamic theology, the Qur'an is a revelation very specifically in Arabic, and so it should only be recited in Quranic Arabic. Translations into other languages are the work of humans and so, according to Muslims, no longer possess the uniquely sacred character of the Arabic original.


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But still we the laymen theologist and or the devout Christian  that "doesn't know Koine Greek " are at the mercy of the Chaplain, the Pastor and the Priest that claims to understand  and able to read and speak the bible in its "original" language.
Christianity was promoted as a universal religion by the Romans. The translation into local languages was necessary.

As of November 2024 the whole Bible has been translated into 756 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,726 languages, and smaller portions of the Bible have been translated into 1,274 other languages according to Wycliffe Global Alliance.
How many times!
None of that absolutely matters.
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As of November 2024 the whole Bible has been translated into 756 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,726 languages, and smaller portions of the Bible have been translated into 1,274 other languages according to Wycliffe Global Alliance.

How many times!
None of that absolutely matters.
The different translations of the Bible led to the separation of church into thousands of denominations.
There are more than 45,000 denominations globally. Followers of Jesus span the globe. But the global body of more than 2 billion Christians is separated into thousands of denominations. Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Apostolic, Methodist — the list goes on.

There are only two sects of Muslims Sunni and Shiite.
Both sides agreed that Allah is the one true God and that Muhammad was his messenger, but one group (which eventually became the Shiites) felt Muhammad's successor should be someone in his bloodline, while the other (which became the Sunnis) felt a pious individual who would follow the Prophet's customs was acceptable.
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As of November 2024 the whole Bible has been translated into 756 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,726 languages, and smaller portions of the Bible have been translated into 1,274 other languages according to Wycliffe Global Alliance.

How many times!
None of that absolutely matters.
The different translations of the Bible led to the separation of church into thousands of denominations.

 Yes. And none of it matters. 
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Yes. And none of it matters. 
That means the number of Muslims in the world will nearly equal the number of Christians by 2050. If Islam's growth spurt continues, Pew data shows, Muslims could outnumber Christians soon after the year 2070.