Socialism: The New American Dream

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Approximately around 550 miners and labor activists were convicted of murder, insurrection, and treason for their participation in the march from Lens Creek to Logan County and the ensuing Battle of Blair Mountain. 

Talk about workplace rage lol! They should have just learned to code.
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The Marketplace Fairness Act (MFA) legislation navigates the hurdles of becoming a law (or getting shot down). In a nutshell, if passed into law, the MFA would let states compel online retailers to collect sales tax no matter where they are located. Right now, online sellers are only required to charge tax in states where they have a physical presence.

It’s an attempt to level the playing field between brick-and-mortar stores and online retailers. But it’s a well-meaning misstep. While the legislation would only apply to businesses making more than $1 million in out-of-state revenue, it would be crippling to small business owners, most of whom lack the resources to file tax returns in 45 additional states every month. These “millionaire” businesses actually operate at margins of only 10-20%, so their real income and ability to cover these incremental operating costs are comparatively low.

Amazon is spending big bucks to support the proposed legislation. It’s a smart move for them, but a potential catastrophe for small businesses. Basically, the company wants the best of both worlds — they grew so large so quickly in part because they didn’t have to pay sales tax on purchases made in states where they didn’t have a physical presence. But now, as they build more warehouses (taxable presences) across the nation to ship orders faster, they want everyone else to pay taxes, too — and forcing all e-tailers to spend time and money to comply would crush Amazon’s smaller competitors. Of course those administrative costs wouldn’t even be a blip on the Bezos radar. [LINK]

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How about a flat fair tax instead of all this crony crap?
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How about a flat fair tax instead of all this crony crap?
Please explain your theory on this one.
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Like, how would Walmart today be allowed by the government to form a mercenary militia? That hasn't happened since 1861.
Meet the private security force the banksters have hired to oppress you, they're literally the same guys who used to beat up your great-grandparents when they began the American Labor movement over a century ago.

If you're not familiar with The Pinkertons, they were the Blackwater of the late 19th and early 20th century, an armed and often violent private security force for the Robber-Barons and industrialists of the Gilded Age used to keep striking workers in their place. [LINK]
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I mean a tax code that's 10 pages instead of 100,000 pages of crony bullshit.

Get politicians out of the money.
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Lol so mallcops are a private militia? Gimme a break....

Strikers deserve to get beaten up and thrown in jail when they trespass. You would feel the same way if there was a mob in front of your house demanding free stuffs.

Approximately around 550 miners and labor activists were convicted of murder, insurrection, and treason for their participation in the march from Lens Creek to Logan County and the ensuing Battle of Blair Mountain
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Approximately around 550 miners and labor activists were convicted of murder, insurrection, and treason for their participation in the march from Lens Creek to Logan County and the ensuing Battle of Blair Mountain
How many of the private security contractors were charged with murder?  Oh, not a one?  What a surprise.

Insurrection?  Treason?  Seriously?  They weren't trying to secede from the United States and start their own country.  It sounds like they were striking and got shot at and then defended themselves.

Kaltegärtner’s company, Asgaard German, then went on to cause further gray hairs to German politicians by signing a deal to provide security services for Galadid Abdinur Ahmad Darman, the President of Somalia. Apparently, their mission is no less than restoring security in the war-ravaged area. This may not sound like such a bad thing, except for one thing: Darman happens to be a self-appointed president—one of many Somali warlords who’ve claimed that title and refuse to recognize the authority of the official, United Nations-appointed transition government of the country. One can only imagine what “security services” for such a person might entail, and how he is planning to “restore peace in the area.” [LINK]

Yeah, "mall cops" sounds like a fair characterization.
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Strikers deserve to get beaten up and thrown in jail
Nice and safe in his middle class capitalist cocoon he is oblivious to reality.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.[ M.Niemoller]

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And peaceful labor unions, don't forget.
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This is actually more representative of the free market vs socialism.


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I'm actually enjoying that Battle of Blair Mountain article because I happen to be evicting a roommate in real life.

He never paid, so he gets the boot, he has no right to steal property. There's plenty of homeless shelters in the state  I live where he can flop in. I really don't care. When someone personally stiffs you for a rent bill, it's really hard to be compassionate, especially when they flash money in your face before heading of to their drug supplier to blow it.   

So happens when you declare that a place you rent is yours and you don't have to pay nuffin, that's theft and trespassing, and a reason to call the law like they did at Blair Mountain. When you start shooting the law, you're a traitor. When you try to capture the town government by force, that's insurrection.

There's a reason why the Mob went into the business of labor unions, and it was definitely as a cover to do similar criminal activities while claiming to be "oppressed"

Yo! Joey...pay the man so we can protect yous...from who? You don't wanna know. Nice protection racket the labor unions were in the glory days of crony capitalism.
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You have enormous problems understanding words don't you?
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I would love a Fed sales tax and no more income tax. That way those that gain their money illegally pay tax too. 
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And peaceful labor unions, don't forget.
If you are gung-ho for "the right to bear arms", why do you think it is so important?

The best argument is generally considered to be "to prevent tyranny".
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I'm actually enjoying that Battle of Blair Mountain article because I happen to be evicting a roommate in real life.He never paid, so he gets the boot, he has no right to steal property. There's plenty of homeless shelters in the state  I live where he can flop in. I really don't care. When someone personally stiffs you for a rent bill, it's really hard to be compassionate, especially when they flash money in your face before heading of to their drug supplier to blow it. So happens when you declare that a place you rent is yours and you don't have to pay nuffin, that's theft and trespassing, and a reason to call the law like they did at Blair Mountain. When you start shooting the law, you're a traitor. When you try to capture the town government by force, that's insurrection. There's a reason why the Mob went into the business of labor unions, and it was definitely as a cover to do similar criminal activities while claiming to be "oppressed" Yo! Joey...pay the man so we can protect yous...from who? You don't wanna know. Nice protection racket the labor unions were in the glory days of crony capitalism.
And then you shot your roommate.
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Fucking drama queen.
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I would love a Fed sales tax and no more income tax. That way those that gain their money illegally pay tax too. 
The working poor spend 90 to 100% of their income between paychecks.

Savings accounts among the middle class average less than a single paycheck.

The wealthy ($10 million plus) spend less than 1% of their income.

A federal sales tax would therefore shift the tax burden to the working poor and effectively cut the taxes for the wealthy to nearly zero.
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In the narrative versions directly traceable to Niemöller he always started with "the Communists." He always ended with "me." As far as I can tell he always included "the Jews." He usually also named Social Democrats and/or trade unionists. In his first invocation in January 1946 he also included disabled people, whom he called 'the sick, so-called incurables' [in the original German "Kranke, sogenannte Unheilbare," and in a speech shortly thereafter he used another Nazi term for that group, 'lives unworthy of life']. 

At that time he also named 'occupied countries' (namely those conquered by Nazi Germany).

In 1946 and 1964 he included Jehovah's Witnesses ["ernste Bibelforscher"]. 

Once he may have included Catholics--in a 1954 ecumenical Christian (meaning inter-confessional; many Protestant denominations attended, but the Catholic Church only sent observers) conference in Evanston, Illinois. I have not been able to document that use directly, but only in an invocation a decade later, which later went viral ("Dear Abby" van Buren included it in at least seven columns from 1977 to 1993), making that a common version seen today, including on the Boston Holocaust memorial. However in a 1984 column she said she first encountered the quotation "nearly 30 years earlier," thus around 1955. [LINK]
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So what is the fucking difference? Everyone complains the poor pay and the rich don't. If you only spend 500 dollars you pay 10 percent. If you spend 5000 you pay 10 percent. If you pay nothing now you pay 10 percent. Don't tax food. That is all bull shit to keep the rich from paying tax. If you by a Cadillac Escalate new and a 20 million dollar home not way you pay less then someone who bought a used car, no tax and a 20k home. Idiot. 
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So what is the fucking difference? Everyone complains the poor pay and the rich don't. If you only spend 500 dollars you pay 10 percent. If you spend 5000 you pay 10 percent. If you pay nothing now you pay 10 percent. Don't tax food. That is all bull shit to keep the rich from paying tax. If you by a Cadillac Escalate new and a 20 million dollar home not way you pay less then someone who bought a used car, no tax and a 20k home. Idiot. 
You started with "federal sales tax" and now you seem to be suggesting a "flat tax".

You are also conflating spending "$" with spending "%" of income.

If we taxed every working adult exactly $2,000.00 a year each, would that be "fair"? 

If we taxed every working adult exactly 18% of their total assets every year, would that be "fair"?

Generally under the current system, the working poor pay very little (if any) income tax. But everyone needs to consume to survive. The poor would get hit twice under such a scheme. While currently the poor pay very little tax, under the new system they would have to pay taxes on their consumption, so their total tax bill would rise dramatically. The poor also spend a larger proportion of their total income on consumption goods to survive, so they would ultimately pay a larger percentage of their income in taxes than wealthier individuals.

"Under the Americans for Fair Taxation proposal, taxes would rise for households in the bottom 90 percent of the income distribution, while households in the top 1 percent would receive an average tax cut of over $75,000." [LINK]
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A Federal Sales tax would be a flat rate. It's not rocket science for fucks sake. 
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A Federal Sales tax would be a flat rate. It's not rocket science for fucks sake. 
If we taxed every working adult exactly 18% of their total assets every year, would that be "fair"?
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It's just a matter of time before they get triggered.
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Yes. Because 18% of 200 is not 18% of 2000000. How about we pick a reasonable amount because right now I pay 6% State tax on everything I purchase except food. And add a 10% tax on luxury items and stuff like booze and cigarettes, chips, pop. You know not "real" food items. You are an idiot if you think the rich pay more than the poor now. Trump admitted to paying nothing. I imagine Bill Gates pays little too. Then there is Amazon paying nothing. And the mobster or drug dealer buying cars and clothes and spending thousands a weeks are paying nothing. Idiot. 

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A Federal Sales tax would be a flat rate. It's not rocket science for fucks sake. 

You don't understand Poly. There's no way to care for the poor without harming the rich in the twisted minds of the left, because it's always in EVERY CASE the productive person's fault that the less productive person has less money.

You can scream that a flat federal tax would actually generate more revenue to provide more services the poor (and all people too) till you are blue in the face and it won't matter to these twisted freaks. They talk a good game with the emulation of Government provided services like they have in the Nordic countries, but how dare you tax the poor like the Nords do? It's almost like they admit taxes are "bad" and the poor are "good." Let's just drop the entire argument that the billions of political dollars spent on politicians for the precise purpose of getting an edge in the current crony tax code would practically vanish instantly with a flat tax. The next generation will completely forget why Citizens United was even a big deal. Nah, preserve the status quo, it's what both parties are best at doing.
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The poor pay taxes now. Hate to tell them 
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Not enough apparently if they are electing these idiots.


Way to shaft those evil rich people...you get em girl!


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Yes. Because 18% of 200 is not 18% of 2000000.
I agree.  Mainly because the working poor and middle class have virtually no assets.

How about we pick a reasonable amount because right now I pay 6% State tax on everything I purchase except food.
State sales taxes are generally deductible from your federal income taxes.  As long as they are greater than your "standard deduction".

And add a 10% tax on luxury items and stuff like booze and cigarettes, chips, pop.
It appears that some states charge as much as $33.00 per gallon in tax on distilled liquor.  I'm going to guess that's close to a 75% tax. [LINK]

Cigarettes are taxed at a federal tax rate of $1.00 a pack which is effectively 100%.  If you add the state sales tax to this, it reaches as high as 535% [LINK]

Potato chips are taxed at 4%. [LINK]

There are only a few cities that have implemented a carbonated soda tax which is apparently close to 100%, which is still 435% lower than the cigarette tax. [LINK]

You know not "real" food items. You are an idiot if you think the rich pay more than the poor now.
According to conservative Prof. Antony Davies, Americans who make under $100,000.00 (lower 60%) a year pay almost zero NET income taxes.  [LINK]

Trump admitted to paying nothing. I imagine Bill Gates pays little too. Then there is Amazon paying nothing.
Ok, how do you propose "fixing" this "problem"?

And the mobster or drug dealer buying cars and clothes and spending thousands a weeks are paying nothing. Idiot. 
Buying cars and clothes?  Sales tax?  They pay taxes on the money they launder.  If someone owns a million dollar home and fails to file their income tax forms, they will be investigated.
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According to conservative Prof. Antony Davies, Americans who make under $100,000.00 (lower 60%) a year pay almost zero NET income taxes.  [LINK]