Socialism: The New American Dream

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 'I'm taking 15 months off while my wife, Anne, will take five months,' says Gustav Levander, 31, a teacher and musician. 'Some of the leave we're taking together at the same time, while for other periods either Anne or I will be at home while the other is at work. It's unbelievably good that I have the opportunity to stay at home for a long time. My son, Olle, will get the chance to know me well in his early years.'
CAN YOU NOT SEE THIS WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THE REPUBLIC??!!1!!?

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Exactly.
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Sure 36% of people think differently than you, they must be lazy....
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@Ramshutu
No wonder you hate America and Americans. Perhaps you should go home. 
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@Ramshutu
You poor bigots. Must be awful to walk around so hate filled and stupid. 
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No wonder you hate America and Americans. Perhaps you should go home. 
What an excellent and well thought out argument, you sure showed me!
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You poor bigots. Must be awful to walk around so hate filled and stupid. 
Yeah, so let’s look at it that shall we.

I’m pointing out that the right wing has consistently misrepresented the entire position of democratic socialism, what it is, what it means, how it works. I’m using real world policy examples and locations where this sort of policy plays out.

If you don’t want to engage in a discussion of a debate, you can quite happily leave and go somewhere else. What you appear to be doing, however, is starting a conversation, then when someone replies with an argument - you just hurl names and insults at them.

Now, that may count as a “good argument”, from where you come from, and the intellectual circules you travel in, but that’s quite frankly stupid.

So please, it’s somewhat funny calling the people trying to have a conversation hate filled bigots, but considering you’ve called me “fucking evil”, “a fucking liar”, “a hate filled bigot”, and more, for having the audacity to not agree with you; it’s probably best not to draw attention to the fact that you seem to bring mostly insults to the conversation, whereas what you should be bringing to the discussion, if you’re not able to answer basic points, is silence.
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The two of us you are addressing here both said we have no issue with any of what your saying IF FUNDED. So I am pretty much spot on with my assessment. Bigot. 
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So I am right then. If you need help to get home post your gofundme here. I will help you out. 
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It's funny to watch Liberals be smug about Socialism and Communism while hating the US for being involved in Russia. Which is exactly what they want. To run the US like the KGB. Hence the Patriot Act. 

No wonder you hate America and Americans. Perhaps you should go home. 

So I am right then. If you need help to get home post your gofundme here. I will help you out. 

You poor bigots. Must be awful to walk around so hate filled and stupid. 

Yeah, I’m totally the one that comes off as a “hate filled bigot” in this exchange.
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This is my new favorite clip.
Typical politician with foot-n-mouth-disease.

We can trust politicians about as far as we can throw them.

We would need a bulldozer to get Idio-ump or Christy to even lean/list at 15 degrees.


Bru7al, I 2nd your favorite Vvideo





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Yes you do. 
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Okay then. Good luck with that!

Perhaps you should call me a prick, or evil again - as that completely invalidates my point that the right wing have consistently misrepresented socialism as communism, or that the majority of their policies are implanted to varying degrees within various existing democratic countries who aren’t under the yoke of oppressive government.

I remember Regans famous speech:

General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization, come here to this gate. Mr. Gorbachev: you are a prick and a hate-filled bigot





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Fuck Ronald Reagan and you. 

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Fuck Ronald Reagan and you. 

Your eloquence and ability to demonstrate how cogent and not-hate filled you are, is simply inspiring.

So out of interest what is your position on The KGB fingernail pulling socialist agenda of paid family leave, use it or lose it paid paternity leave (to normalize leave for the purposes of not stigmatizing women), and means subsidized daycare? Paid for by both employer insurance and higher contributions from high earners.

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Fuck Ronald Reagan and you. 

yep.
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Even though I stated it before. Why is family leave only about women. I think both parents should get at least a month off for a new born or adopted child. And mom should get two. But at some point you need to go back to work. I have stated I think all daycare should be compensated since the poor/ middle class tend to use it more. I feel it's like workers compensation. As long as it's funded and not a debt creating endeavor. 
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Granting leave to men would go a long way to equalizing job opportunities too as employers won't see only women as a liability due to childbirth.
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Exactly and it gives both time to adjust to the change in family status. Our son was a preemie and had a hospital stay. Bonding for both of us was necessary since our physical contact was limited. Not to mention by the time he came home it was time for me to go to work. My doctor was nice enough to give me four more weeks. 
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@Greyparrot
About 70% of Venuezula's industry is privately owned, doesn't sound very socialist to me.
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So 30% Socialism must be over the limit for sustainability.
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@Greyparrot
Again Scandinavia has a higher standard of living than the US. Socialism rules.
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@Greyparrot
You seem to be confusing government involvement in the economy with socialism.
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The problem remains that you keep confusing two different things?
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@Greyparrot
My goal is not to "change your mind" but is instead to try and help you compile better arguments.

There are valid objections to "social democracy", but simply conflating all forms of "socialism" with "Stalinism" gets you nowhere because literally nobody is arguing in favor of your "Stalinism" straw-man.
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There are valid objections to "social democracy", but simply conflating all forms of "socialism" with "Stalinism" gets you nowhere because literally nobody is arguing in favor of your "Stalinism" straw-man.
Good luck having a rational, logical, common sense disscussion with this, or any Trumpanzee.

They are so narrow minded{ short sided } the can only see black and white scenarios.

Their still living in a pre-tech-no-color world and would like to go back to the good old days of 1800's cowboys and Indians.


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So address social justice and social interventionism. 2 critical key components of democratic socialism.

Also, why did you bring Stalinism to the table? I did not.

You sound like one of those robots programmed to think everything bad is Hitler.

Uther suggested that 30% socialism was too much for Venezuela. How much would be too much for America?