PGA argues that without a god the universe has no meaning or purpose. I think he is correct, but he infers 'therefore there is a god' but I infer that universe is indeed meaningless and purposeless.Almost every time I've seen this argued, the pro-god person basically goes to argue from ignorance or incredulity.
No idea how it is that atheists and Christians can't understand all gods being able to exist. It's like saying only white people can exist even though that's not the case.
Your not arguing no god exist you were arguing only one god is right. I know you think theists are stupid
Why should man be the only species without predators?
The correct starting position has to include the possibility that ALL OF THEM MIGHT BE WRONG. You have to start from zero gods and then figure out why there would be A god in the first place.
All other gods are created beings. If they exist at all, it was because of God. They are gods in name only.
No, they were not. They do not have the right to take innocent life because they can't restore it. Not only this, what they did was complete and utter evil. There was no mercy or compassion in so many of their actions. God's righteous standard is to live righteously and act justly. They killed many people unjustly, without sufficient cause.Please give the sufficient cause to kill all of the Egyptian first born sons (many of which were presumably not involved in enslaving the hebrews but were just kids), directly by a celestial agent.
After that one, can you explain why god didn't just delete the Canaanites or the Amalekites, and instead commanded the hebrews to do it?
Or how about the time he told the hebrews to take the women for themselves?
What's the sufficient and just cause for allowing them to be kidnapped and repeatedly raped?
Are you a divine command theory person in addition to being a presuppositionalist?
Once upon a time, many many billions of years ago, our universe exploded into existence from a singularity for no reason, no intention, no purpose...
It is not a matter of a feel-good religion but what is true
The book can say what it wants. Adam and Eve are not my ancestors, your god did not create me, your heaven and hell have nothing to do with me.
Your choice but what is it based upon?
Proving conclusively that the NT lies.The NT says that one day every knee will bow before Him and every tongue will confess He is Lord.
A clear demonstration that your unchanging standard is not unchanging. Carry on.I'm not very familiar with it. Are you speaking of the Ten Commandments or the 613 Mosaic laws? Some things God commanded were necessary for justice in the ANE. That culture is different in many ways from ours. Some principles or morals such as "Do not kill, steal, lie, covet, are principles that everyone should obey but we don't, hence humanities inhumanity.
First, Pharaoh would not submit to God's commands to let His people leave Egypt, over and over again. He knew what would work. Second, any innocent life would be restored by God to a better place.
Not only this, these people that He charged them to remove from the land were evil, practicing child sacrifices and other abominations. His practice with these covenant people was to use them or another nation in the judgment of wrongful actions.
As for rape, Israel did that against His will, not because of it.
First it was Moses begging not your god commanding. Now why would a man who commanded an army of 600,000 men need to beg for anything, they could destroy the Egyptian army in a day and just walk out.Your claim is that billions of unbelievers are in your god's heaven? Do you have any biblical passages that support this claim? Why then become a believer?First, Pharaoh would not submit to God's commands to let His people leave Egypt, over and over again. He knew what would work. Second, any innocent life would be restored by God to a better place.
This is less than genuine. I'm not trying to fall into the trap of arguing god's morality because he doesn't exist, but for real now. From Exodus: "And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them;" Could he not have simply softened Pharaoh's heart?
Once upon a time, many many billions of years ago, our universe exploded into existence from a singularity for no reason, no intention, no purpose...It is not a matter of a feel-good religion but what is true
Logically, only one God can be true for they all contradict each other. I do not see other views of "gods" as logically consistent whereas I see the biblical view of God as logically consistent.This raises the yet to see you answer directly. Just so we don't get off track on minutia, let's say that humanity has only been around for 10,000 years. In those 10,000 years, there have been countless cultures and groups, each with many superstitious beliefs and, in almost every case, a belief in unseen gods using their influence to do things like cause cataclysmic earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, droughts, mental illnesses, inexplicable diseases, etc. because we didn't understand the natural causes of these events until the last 500 years (so 95% of human history, VERY generously again, we basically knew nothing about how anything worked). For sake of round numbers, let's say 1000 cultures developed over 10000 years around the world with completely unique views of these forces. Greek gods weren't Egyptian gods, weren't Hindu gods, weren't Norse gods, weren't Navajo gods, weren't Aztec gods. So far good? You're saying these gods can't ALL be the correct ones. I agree!Except...you don't explain how you separated, through logic, not through your birth into a Christian family, or your indoctrination into a Christian culture, that YOUR god is the one that's right.
You've already said you're a presuppositionalist: by this alone, you make an error that screws up your logic.
You start with the assumption that among all of these hundreds of gods, ONE MUST BE RIGHT. I'm never sure why people make this mistake, except that it serves their desired outcome. The correct starting position has to include the possibility that ALL OF THEM MIGHT BE WRONG. You have to start from zero gods and then figure out why there would be A god in the first place. Almost every time I've seen this argued, the pro-god person basically goes to argue from ignorance or incredulity.
The NEXT question is "How did you figure out this god was the one?" But you can't really answer that one at all (much less with logic) until you've answered the first one.
I know you rely on the biblical texts pretty heavily. You're trying to answer how did you decide this book is right, the Hindu books are wrong is not the FIRST question in your logical argument.
The first question you have to answer is why should we think ANY of those books, written when people apparently thought hitting sheep with reeds is how you ended up with spotted baby sheep, are true.
