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@Greyparrot
Thinking is quite painful I see.
Mike Pence for President.
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@PGA2.0
So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument. In order for you to get to this growth you must first reject the woman's right to bodily autonomy, who gives you that right?
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@disgusted
I see you have had your share of prison guards laughing at you. Bodily autonomy has always been a joke argument. Nobody has absolute rights to their own body...anywhere on the planet. Have fun gagging on that argument as the prison guards forcibly feed you when you go on a hunger strike. Or when the paramedics take you away for slashing up your own skin and wrists and force you to heal.
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@disgusted
Socialism, as we see it around the world, exploits peopleDo you mean like the Scandinavian countries who all have a higher standard of living than any other country. Get an education.
Yes, even them. Scandinavian countries are finding out the socialism isn't the panacea they thought it would be. The level of lifestyle is declining since socialism was put in place in these countries due to the cost of big government. Many think it also gives the government more control than is desirable.
Main Component of Socialism
"The main component of socialism is redistribution of wealth. Many historical examples have shown this to have a negative net effect on society. The most dramatic example of this in the modern area has been the country of Sweden. Swedish citizens pay nearly half of their wages in taxes. The promised benefits are free education, universal healthcare, and subsidized childcare. There are few people who could argue that these goals are outrageous. It is a natural human reaction to offer aid to the suffering. The capitalist answer to the economic challenges of others is charity given at free will.
However, a close examination of the effects of these programs reveal that:
“Right now more people than ever are on welfare. In 2008 Swedish newspapers reported that mentally ill children were being housed with violent, mentally ill adults due to lack of funding. Another major problem is work absenteeism. There is a growing concern that Swedes are faking illnesses to reap the benefits of the extensive medical leave program. Some economists believe that Sweden’s brand of socialism is fundamentally flawed. While it works well in the short term, it can lead to disenfranchised consumers in the long run. The more taxes the government takes, the less people are willing to spend in a consumer market, which leaves the government to prop up those flagging industries, creating a vicious cycle in the economy.”
--Rodgriguez, L.
In the United States programs such as social security have had similar effects as the Swedish economic system. According to heritage.org, social security has an average rate of return of 1.23% while low risk IRA and bond investments would give a return of approximately 5% each, W. W., & Davis, G. E. (1998, January 15).
In the United States programs such as social security have had similar effects as the Swedish economic system. According to heritage.org, social security has an average rate of return of 1.23% while low risk IRA and bond investments would give a return of approximately 5% each, W. W., & Davis, G. E. (1998, January 15).
Friedrich von Hayek, (recipient of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences in 1974), wrote a book titled, “The Road to Serfdom”, published in 1944, in which he convincingly argues the role in socialist governments. The end results, he proclaims, fail and end in tyranny and oppression. In the book, Hayek refers to America’s shift towards a socialistic society as “creeping socialism”. He discusses the threat of state control over the means of production.
Hayek believed that excessive governmental controls on society did not deliver on their promises and that their ideology actually delivered unfortunate and hopeless economic results. He proclaimed it produces a psychological change in the character of the people in that man's desire to better himself is what drives him to succeed and also improves the way of life for those around him. According to Hayek, socialism strips man of his desire to succeed. In Marxism, which is pro socialism, argues that capitalism is what results in no creativity in labor and alienation from own human potential. The effects of socialism in America can still be felt today."
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@disgusted
"Socialism has never worked, and will never work – period. It is an immoral system placing social justice above individual justice. It is a system that relies on liberties being surrendered to the state and forces people, against their will, to contribute to the collective, completely dismissing self-determination and personal responsibility and, in the process, increasing negative social consequences...
The Nordic culture is founded on working hard and taking responsibility. The welfare state, since it has been implemented, has gradually been destroying that culture. An example of this culture is being destroyed is evident when comparing Nordic people living in the US to their cousins living in the Nordic countries. There are about 12 million Nordic people living in the US, more than any population of any individual Nordic country. The Nordic American population’s forefathers were the poor and starving, so they left for America...
(The author of “Debunking Utopia: Exposing the Myth of Nordic Socialism” does argue that welfare isn’t necessarily a bad thing when it is associated with small government – systems where there are low taxes and those taxes support basic education and basic healthcare, not the current system which traps families in welfare dependency.)
The advocates who use the Nordic countries are right about the successes of the Nordic countries but attribute this success to welfare and completely dismiss the culture of those people. The social success of the Nordics all predates the welfare state – high lifestyle, the low child mortality, low poverty. So to argue that those social successes are a result of the welfare state is to cite a result before the supposed cause. (Another reason social outcomes are becoming less favourable, is the increasing amounts of immigrants in some Nordic countries, who do not possess the culture necessary for success, becoming trapped in welfare dependency at the expense of the productive, contributing members of the society.)
The Nordic people are not oblivious to the negative impacts of the welfare state and for the past 2 decades have been turning away from democratic socialism by introducing market reform, lowering the generosities of the welfare state, lowering taxes and moving towards greater individual freedom and a more market based economy. There are 5 (prominent) Nordic countries, 4 of which have centre-right governments which are doing market reform. (Only Sweden has a social democratic government and Sweden has never, in modern times, been as weak as they are today. Even their socialist government is doing market reform.)
To use Sweden as an example, prior to the first socialist democratic government, Sweden had the highest growth rate out of all countries in Europe. From the late 19th century until about 1970, they were very much pro markets, economic freedom, and minimal government involvement. Sweden’s socialist government from 1970 to 1991 attempted socialism and it failed dismally. Sweden recorded the lowest growth rate in Western Europe, and post 1991 introduced market reform, tax cuts, welfare cuts, which resulted in massive growth allowing them to have the second highest growth rate in Europe, with only the UK being higher during this period. Prosperity grows during economic freedom and is hurt when moving away from this freedom."
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@Greyparrot
ONE of the stupidest things ever written.
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@disgusted
Go ahead..see if you can get away with slashing your autonomous wrists...try it.
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@PGA2.0
Right so you can't refute the fact that the Scandinavian countries are so much better than yours and the yanks so you post some meaningless irrelevant twaddle that I didn't read, stick to the subject.
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@PGA2.0
I didn't read that propaganda but I did see the word Nordic used which tells me that the author is pig ignorant or a pathetic liar or both I lob for the latter. Refute the FACT that the socialist Scandinavian countries have a better lifestyle than anywhere else in the world.
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@Greyparrot
See what I mean?
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@disgusted
So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument.
No objection if that were the case.
In order for you to get to this growth you must first reject the woman's right to bodily autonomy, who gives you that right?
It is not a "growth" but a human being. You are using dehumanizing language to make the unborn less than what it is. Hitler used the same tactics with the Jews and others he considered undesirable. It resulted in the extermination of around 11-12 million people - those deformed, people of color, mentally challenged, those that opposed the State, and Jews.
Why should someone have the right to kill an innocent human being? That is the question I want you to answer.
Why should the woman have no consequences for her sexual promiscuity? It is a throwaway generation. When two people engage in sex there is a possible consequence that should be considered. If they don't want offspring they should use contraception to avoid pregnancy. If she gets pregnant she should look after the unborn and nurture it. If she wants she can put it up for adoption once it is born, but to kill it is a crime against humanity.
So, what outweighs what - an inconvenience and discomfort for nine months or termination?
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@disgusted
Right so you can't refute the fact that the Scandinavian countries are so much better than yours and the yanks so you post some meaningless irrelevant twaddle that I didn't read, stick to the subject.
You only see what you want to see. You are not open to anything that objects to your extreme point of view. Thus, it is a waste of time since instead of an argument all I get is a statement without facts (opinion).
I can list socialist government after government and demonstrate the social evils of such a system.
If you like socialism so much why not try living it in North Korea, or China, or Russia, or Cuba, or Venezuela?
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@disgusted
Refute the fact that since socialism the economies are in decline.I didn't read that propaganda but I did see the word Nordic used which tells me that the author is pig ignorant or a pathetic liar or both I lob for the latter. Refute the FACT that the socialist Scandinavian countries have a better lifestyle than anywhere else in the world.
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@PGA2.0
So this separate human body can be removed from the woman's body without detriment then what is your argument.No objection if that were the case.
It must be the case given your definition that this group of cells is a separate living human being, separate living humans beings do not require the support of the internal functions of another human being. Hence abortion will have no effect on your mythicak definition.
In order for you to get to this growth you must first reject the woman's right to bodily autonomy, who gives you that right?It is not a "growth" but a human being.
The remove it and let it live as a human being.
You are using dehumanizing language to make the unborn less than what it is. Hitler used the same tactics with the Jews and others he considered undesirable. It resulted in the extermination of around 11-12 million people - those deformed, people of color, mentally challenged, those that opposed the State, and Jews.
How many Godwin awards do you have on your mantelpiece?
Why should someone have the right to kill an innocent human being? That is the question I want you to answer.
No one has a right to kill another human being but that is irrelevant to the question at hand. That question is what gives you a right to interfere with the autonomous control of a woman's body?
Why should the woman have no consequences for her sexual promiscuity?
Good ole christian punishment applied exclusively to women, why don't you burn her at the stake, misogynist. Carrying a fetus fullterm is now punishment. hahaha. Is it that god that claims to be LOVE punishing her. You people disgust me.
So, what outweighs what - an inconvenience and discomfort for nine months or termination?
A woman's right to bodily autonomy outweighs your misogyny.
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@PGA2.0
I see you've given up on your spurious and ignorant claims, it's time to run away again golfer. bahahahahahahaha
Just BTW they've been socialist for decades, I told you before get an education but you continue to get only propaganda.
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@PGA2.0
And you can't refute my argument so you run off crying to mummy that I won't let your lies stand. Oh boo hoo.
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@PGA2.0
You've had these countries pegged as communist for years, as a godist I understand your desperate need to keep moving the goalposts but I'll just continue to replace them where they belong BECAUSE they make your arguments look stupid.North Korea, or China, or Russia, or Cuba, or Venezuela?
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@disgusted
Population of Americans that came from Sweden....48,294
Population of Swedish from America?? 20,990
Game..set...match.
Checkmate.
Now don't attempt to slash your autonomous body up or the government will put you in chains.
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@Greyparrot
Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard of living than anywhere else in the world, game cancelled for lack of opposition.
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@disgusted
Pretty sure 27000 more people voted with their feet to the superior country. I don't blame them though, grass always seems greener on the other side to a Marxist all eaten up with jealousy.
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@Greyparrot
Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard
27,000 as a % of fuck all is still fuck all. But mental masturbation is the warcry of the ignorant redneck.
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@disgusted
27000 current living Swedish immigrants disagree with their feet.
Something else I discovered:
Sweden 100 years ago had a political mandate to copy America. Fun times.
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@Greyparrot
You keep running away from this Socialist Scandinavian countries have a higher standard of living. Your arguments live in the cesspit that is America.
Socialism works.
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@disgusted
You claim that Socialist countries have a higher standard of living then the US. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1me3ak-UNfyU3eshRYhDx8XHC4szfqMtdM1D_kUEBN2w/edit confirms the opposite.
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@Alec
The pregnant woman draws the line, and you and everyone else should keep your immoral friggin noses *v* out of her bodily business, unless she gives you her consent.If you support a position between the left wing position(Abortion legal at 1st trimester) and the right wing position (Abortion banned in all situations), then where would you draw the line?
1} pregnant womans choose what happens with her body and all of its processes.
Anything else is immoral injustice and intrusion on pregnants womens personal property and moral rights to choose.
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@Alec
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@PGA2.0
#180 --Again, it boils down to what the unborn is and the value is put on that life. That is the key to the debate.
0} keep your immoral, virtual rapist{?}, religous Trumpanzee nose *v* out of the pregnant womans bodily business, unless she gives you her consent.
Do you understand that? No. I didnt think. I think were dealing with an inbreeding problem with PGA2.
1} unborn ergo human being that, has not taken its first IN-spiration,
Do you understand this distinction between unborn-inside pregnant woman ---see #2-- and born-out? No? I didnt think so. Inbreeding problem is bigger concern for humanity.
2} fertilized-egg/zygote/embryo/fetus/baby is anorganism of the pregnant woman....and let me repeat that for any inbred people reading this
.....2a}fertilized egg/fetus/baby is an organism of the pregnant woman.... Now open your closed narrow mind for evidential data to support my oppinion
"Therefore, it would appear that complex interactions take place between the oviductal epithelium and the embryo.
......Human oviductal cells are known to secrete growth factors, cytokines, and other embryotropic factors (ETFs) that enhance and support the development of the pre-implantation embryos.59, 60
.....Oviductal cells may also affect gene expression of the pre-implantation embryo"......
4} keep your immoral, virtual rapist{?}, quasi-religous, Trumpanzee nose *v* out of a pregnant womans bodily concerns, unless she gives you consent to stick your virutal rapist{?} nose *v* in there. Do you understand? No?
Then let me repeat in case your apparrent inbreeding is holding back your intellectual development.
5} keep....your....immoral........virutal rapist{?} .....quasi-religious..... radical extremism..... and Trumpanzee..... nose *v*.......out of....pregnant womens....bodily business.......unless...they.....give....you....their.....consent....to stick...your.....nose *v*........there.
6} Do.....you....understand......any....of....the....previous.....comments......above?
7} This is the umpteenth time Ive repeated them for you. I will not continue this ridiculous immature childs mind play with you much longer.
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@Greyparrot
That's a start. However, if abortion is punished the same way as murder, I imagine it would bring abortion rates down even more.
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@disgusted
No socialist countries are smaller and tax the crap out of people. The US is not one nation per se it's 50 states united under a central government. Fucking idiots don't understand most US states are not unified or do they want to be.
Yes you still know nothing and don't respond to me when you have me blocked you numptie.