New York legalizes infanticide

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When asked, the co sponsor of the Virginia bill said that the legislation would permit abortion up to the moment of birth. The governor of Virginia suggested leaving infants to die if they were unwanted. I’ll take their word for it, not yours
There are already laws that protect post-natal children who are left to die.

The moment of birth is a theoretical demarcation point.

There is no such thing as an "emergency abortion".

You must make an appointment and wait an average of seven days.
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Do you believe it would be morally permissible to give a lethal injection to a fetus at 39 weeks because the woman doesn’t want a baby? 
A human being has personal sovereignty and an inalienable right to privacy.

It is only at the moment of birth that an embryo becomes a citizen.

It is the magical spell comprised of enchanted ink and precious parchment, imbued with the magnificent and holy power of the state that we commonly call a "birth certificate" that bears witness to this most joyous and auspicious event.
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just look at the posts and structure, he's the same or was on ddo and is the same on debateisland, whatever translation software he's trying to use is a little bit better than it was, but not much.
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Why can’t you give a yes or no answer? Do you believe giving a 39 week old fetus a lethal injection because the woman decided she doesn’t want a baby would be morally permissible? 
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people like him would love to be protected by law,  too bad he didn't wait long enough, though I'm sure there's a few that will come out of the shadows now they can to it legally and out in the open.

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thats horrifying, and definitive proof that some of the things people in this thread are saying would never happen if they were legal have already happened 
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Why can’t you give a yes or no answer? Do you believe giving a 39 week old fetus a lethal injection because the woman decided she doesn’t want a baby would be morally permissible? 
Because it is none of my business.

The decision you propose is a private matter between an individual and their doctor.

There is no "morality" involved.

Your question contains the snuck premises of both, "an embryo is not part of the mother and is therefore equivalent to a baby" and "killing a baby is instinctively repulsive".

I've already made it perfectly clear that an embryo is part of the mother, and everyone already agrees that "killing a baby is instinctively repulsive" which is off-topic and immaterial and absolutely moot.

You are making a false appeal to popularity by proxy.

Your argument is basically, "all pro-choicers love killing babies". 

This statement is provably false.

And then you try to make an appeal to ignorance with, "if a pro-choicer can't answer with either a yes or no, then that means they love killing babies". 

This statement is also provably false.
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the real question imo is why kill the baby vs immediately have it adopted?  There's a system for those who need organs, organ transplant lists.  Wouldn't be too difficult to do similar adoption list.
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You are making a false appeal to popularity by proxy.

Your argument is basically, "all pro-choicers love killing babies".  

This statement is provably false.
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the real question imo is why kill the baby vs immediately have it adopted?  There's a system for those who need organs, organ transplant lists.  Wouldn't be too difficult to do similar adoption list.
428,000 orphans in the United States are currently in foster care awaiting immediate adoption.
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thats horrifying, and definitive proof that some of the things people in this thread are saying would never happen if they were legal have already happened 
That is horrifying, and definitive proof that there are already existing laws in place against murder that actually work for your hypothetical scenario.
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You are making a false appeal to popularity by proxy.

Your argument is basically, "all pro-choicers love killing babies".  


b.s. I am doing no such thing, read what is written and stop trying to interpret motive.
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428,000 orphans in the United States are currently in foster care awaiting immediate adoption.

irrelevant, children old enough for foster care =/= a new born, sad attempt there bucko.
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b.s. I am doing no such thing, read what is written and stop trying to interpret motive.
Oh, I see.  So what exactly were you referring to when you said, and I quote,

the real question imo is why kill the baby... [LINK]
Has there been a single person anywhere in this discussion who has proposed such a thing?
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Has there been a single person anywhere in this discussion who has proposed such a thing?

does there have to be, to propose a hypothetical?
your personal opinions really get in the way of reading the plain words before you, some self reflection may help.
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irrelevant, children old enough for foster care =/= a new born, sad attempt there bucko.
It appears that Christian Crisis Pregnancy Centers provide free pre-natal care and a nearly 99% adoption rate for infants less than one year old (excluding identifiable genetic abnormalities).  I'm not sure why you didn't just say this.
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does there have to be, to propose a hypothetical?
Was it a hypothetical?  It sounded more like a non sequitur.

your personal opinions really get in the way of reading the plain words before you, some self reflection may help.
If you are not suggesting that pro-choicers are baby killers, then simply say that.

The real question is, who do you suppose is choosing to kill babies instead of putting them up for adoption?
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Why can’t you give a yes or no answer? Do you believe giving a 39 week old fetus a lethal injection because the woman decided she doesn’t want a baby would be morally permissible? 
...Bru7al...".A human being has personal sovereignty and an inalienable right to privacy.

.....It is only at the moment of birth that an embryo becomes a citizen.

.....It is the magical spell comprised of enchanted ink and precious parchment, imbued with the magnificent and holy power of the state that we commonly call a "birth certificate" that bears witness to this most joyous and auspicious event."....

1} Thett and D-Pirate have reading comprehension disabilities ergo having rational, logical common sense disscussion will not occur with them

2} Pregnancy begins at conception aka fertilization of egg. Maybe you dont realize this fact-truth.

3} Thett, D-Pirate and all Trumpanzees, ---or so I presume---   support if not encourage a man or woman grabbing of womens _____y{ a } ---genitals--- without their consent irrespective if of whether they know the person or not?

4} At what point and time, after egg is fertilized, do you{ Trurmpanzee } stick you friggin nose *v* in a pregnant womans body business without her consent?

5} Trumpanzees have no constitiutional right to stick their immoral noses *v* into a womans body without her consent. I presume most of these Trumpanzees are on prescription medications for mental issues?

Their brain  appears to be  stuck in 16th century when they burned women as witches.  Trumpanzees are sick sadistic human beings.

7} we Lock Away immoral Trumpanzees who support  the grabbing womens ____y irrepsective of whether they know them, or not, without their consent.





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I didn't know about that organization actually.  What I wanted to bring up, see what people thought etc is, if something like that is in place either already existing or created, an adoption waiting list, then why would it be better to kill the baby then to do the immediate adoption like I mentioned. 

Given the lack of specificity, confusion etc over these proposed laws I would think they should be more specific and clear so the misinformation and panic is kept at a minimum.  The lawmakers and those who are making proposals are inept which isn't surprising but this sinks to the level of malpractice if they could be held to such a thing or maybe they are truly stupid, it's so hard to tell.  With something like this, if you do it in such a way that the average person's imagination can run wild, it really is their own fault.  I think it's pretty obvious just reading posts on here, now imagine it large scale.
there really doesn't seem to be much in the way of specifics for us to analyze since so much is left to interpretation, which isn't always a good thing. 

We could discuss Northman's words and why I think he's a total scum bag or maybe just really dumb?  is that possible?  can a pediatric neuro surgeon be dumb?  maybe he was trying to be political which really is the same as being dumb imo.

but really we need to start at the beginning and eat this elephant one bite at a time, which hasn't been done yet imo

Was it a hypothetical?  It sounded more like a non sequitur.
does a woman have the option to have her baby killed or taken for immediate adoption?  I don't believe so, hence it's hypothetical since it doesn't exist.


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Why can’t you give a yes or no answer? Do you believe giving a 39 week old fetus a lethal injection because the woman decided she doesn’t want a baby would be morally permissible? 

..Bru7al...."Because it is none of my business".....

Bru7al, if you were to become a Trumpanzee you could stick your nose *v* into the pregnant womans body business ---virtual rape?--  without her consent.

Bru7al..."The decision you propose is a private matter between an individual and their doctor".....

Well that is no fun for a Trumpanzee

.....Bru7al..."There is no "morality" involved."....

Morality involves doing detriment to others and less so to self

Golden Rule Variations

The golden rule --do unto others as you would have them doonto you---- has
a common variation in many countries and religions. I wondered if there
were any other rules with such commonality e.g,

Is there a silver rule also? "Seek fair and just resolution with
compassion and empathy for those who violate the laws and moral codes of
humanity or its distinct tribes. "

Perhaps a wooden rule? Forgiveness by God is instantaneous, forgiveness
by humans takes time.

Or the bone rule? Eye for eye and toothe for a tooth. [im not sure if
any animals other than humans practice this concept]

Molecular rule? "Share not with your cousin what you would not have
them share with you."

Quantum rule? "Know that the uncertainty of mind, being common to all
humans, does not neccessitate chaos."

Space-time Rule? ---Pee-Here-Now, is a rendition of Ram Dass’s,Be Here Now




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The lawmakers and those who are making proposals are inept which isn't surprising but this sinks to the level of malpractice if they could be held to such a thing or maybe they are truly stupid, it's so hard to tell.
Well stated.

but really we need to start at the beginning and eat this elephant one bite at a time, which hasn't been done yet imo
You make an excellent point.
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Watch the 1st 3 minutes of this. It's really funny.


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I watch all his videos :)

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Here is a very good left-hating video (but still good despite the bias) explaining just how severely abhorrent the Bill is.


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D-Pirate----does a woman have the option to have her baby killed or taken for immediate adoption?
1} Fetus/Baby exists inside a pregnant womans body and has not taken its first breath that makes it partly  viable, individual/independant human being,

2} Fetus exists only inside the pregnant woman, and is not yet born-out from inside the woman,

3} Baby-only,  exists only outside the woman.

Trumpanzees cannot speak this differrence becuase they lack the intellectual and moral integrity to acknowledge these truths.

We can also go to another level that is before the fertilized egg becomes fetus/baby and that is before it is attached to the uterus/womb.

So we have at minimum three levels/stages of a fertized egg development and Trumpanzees intellectual and moral integrity cannot acknowledge any except #3 above.  For Trumpanzees the Universe is all black and white with no phase-of-transition.

Yes, it is true either the woman is pregnant or not, but from there on there exist many phase change transitions of at least 3 primary levels of existence.

Similar thing with biological life ex;

1} mineral,

2} { * } virus { RNA* or *DNA and never both } having capisd protein shell containment,

3} { * * } biological cell{ RNA* and *DNA always } having membrane surface containment





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But at the point they are allowing abortion in this bill, it's no longer a parasite that can't cope outside the mother's womb. Try again.
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Botched abortion survivors have some chilling stories.



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But at the point they are allowing abortion in this bill, it's no longer a parasite that can't cope outside the mother's womb. Try again.
Huh?  You need to address my comments as stated.  You have not done that and you have not invalidated anything of my comments as stated.

1} Fetus/Baby exists inside a pregnant womans body and has not taken its first breath that makes it partly viable, ihuman being and not independant/individual

2} Fetus exists only inside the pregnant woman, and is not yet born-out from inside the woman,

3} Baby-only,  exists only outside the woman.

Trumpanzees cannot speak this differrence because they lack the intellectual and moral integrity to acknowledge these truths - facts.

We can also go to another level that is before the fertilized egg becomes fetus/baby and that is before it is attached to the uterus/womb.

So we have at minimum three levels/stages of a fertilized egg development and Trumpanzees intellectual and moral integrity cannot acknowledge any except #3 above.  For Trumpanzees the Universe is all black and white with no phase-of-transition.

Yes, it is true either the woman is pregnant or not, but from there on there exist many phase change transitions of at least 3 primary levels of existence.

Similar thing with biological life ex;

1} [  ] mineral,

2} { * } virus { RNA* or *DNA and never both } having capisd protein shell containment,

3} { * * } biological cell{ RNA* and *DNA always } having membrane surface containment

4} { * i * } most complex biological { RNA-DNA and ego i }


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That's not what I am referring to. 
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This topic is NOT about ABORTION it is about a deliberate strategy to optimize the acquisition of STEM CELLS
by big PHARMA and GOVERNMENTS for research and development of a superior human engineered life form...
The MEDIA HYPE is used as a tool to incite controversy.....the TOPIC of abortion has always incited intense debate...

The ELITIST who are playing a GLOBAL Game of Thrones could care less if the majority of humans are experimented
on and exterminated....it's another DISTRACTION TOOL to keep the hypnotized and dumb down humans enslaved
to a system of HYPE and DRAMA  without end....WHY ?

Because those behind the MONEY and POWER want to keep it that way....and by igniting massive controversy so they
can get away with other ATROCITIES against humans-plants-animals-environment for the gain of the few (like 2% 
of the human population of 7 billion = 140 million ) 

FOR EXAMPLE : Take a deck of cards = 52........now consider the main topics Government, Business, and Religion
use to exploit and manipulate the human masses of HYPNOTIZED ASSES.....into servitude and slavery to the FEW....

Since WW2 ....the same crap has been VOMITED in the masses face....the RUSSIA card...the NORTH KOREAN card..
the ISLAMIC TERRORIST card....the WAR card...the ANTI-JEW card...the MUSLIM card...the JESUS card....the 
EPIDEMIC DISEASE card....the ENVIRONMENT card...the CORRUPTION card...the POVERTY card...the TAX card
+++ to many others to list...but the CORE cards remain the same...until NOW....WHY ?

The Millennial's ...could care less about any of these idiotic subjects...they want INNOVATION  and living without the earlier
generations of  INSANITY and OBSESSION with power and control by FORCE....what better time the NOW when TRUMP 
is holding the line on immigration....and the other old card issues are falling apart as POWER TOOLS...the youth are to smart
and are innovating beyond their parents and like minded generations....IGNORANCE of emerging technologies...the older
generations are OBSOLETE going forward....

With billions of impoverished humans to exploit...they are not good enough..they have serious nutritional and mental issues
better stem cells are needed...all of those fools running over the border will supply the need....these humans are invisible
outcasts in their own nations...and here in America perfect PREY to exploit...if they disappear no one will care...this is why
the Democrats want open borders....not for immigration...for body tissue and experimentation here in AMERICA not some
totally dumbed-down and oppressed Nation...the exploiters would be to vulnerable to being exposed....

All this abortion idiocy is about MONEY and POWER....the mothers and their kids are expendable once the body parts
are taken....

Wake up FOOLS....this is not SCI FY  it's very real.....