New York legalizes infanticide

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Do you support abortion on demand up to the moment of birth?
Ive been very clear on where I stand on this issue in many threads here and DDO and others for at 30 years.  I think you may have reading comprehension difficulties.  Get you friggin nose *v* out of pregnants womans body business, without their consent.

Pregnancy begins at concept aka fertilization of egg. Maybe you dont realize this fact-truth.

Your a Trumpanzee, so I presume you support if not encourage a man or woman grabbing of womens _____y{ a } ---genital without their consent irrespective if of whether they know the person or not?

At what point and time, after egg is fertilized, do you{ Trurmpanzee } stick you friggin nose *v* in a pregnant womans body business without her consent?

2} Trumpanzees have no constitiutional right to stick their immoral noses *v* into a womans body without her consent. Are you on prescription medications for mental issues? How many years? Is your brain  stuck in 16th century when they burned women as witches.  Your a sick, sadistic human being.


3} we Lock Away immoral Trumpanzees who support  the grabbing womens ____y irrepsective of whether they know them, or not, without their consent.


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@thett3
Do you support abortion on demand up to the moment of birth?
Do you support deportation on demand up to the moment of entry?
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Could I just get a simple yes or no, do you support abortion on demand up to the moment of birth?
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What does that even mean? What does late term abortion have to do with immigration?
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What does that even mean? What does late term abortion have to do with immigration?
(IFF) a person is considered sovereign (THEN) they can deport foreign invaders.
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what a stupid argument. People aren’t “sovereign” in the sense that a state is sovereign, a baby isn’t a foreign invader, and abortion isn’t a deportation, it’s an execution 
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what a stupid argument. People aren’t “sovereign” in the sense that a state is sovereign, a baby isn’t a foreign invader, and abortion isn’t a deportation, it’s an execution 
(IFF) a person is NOT considered sovereign (THEN) they are a de facto slave (property) of the state.
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Let me guess, you think taxation is theft as well?
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”literally any restriction on what you’re allowed to do with your body makes you a slave” 1000 IQ argument 
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Do you believe in doctor patient confidentiality?
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sure. that doesn’t mean that you can’t criminalize certain medical practices
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Who do you believe knows more about medical science, and the specific details of a particular patient, doctors or politicians?

And, what medical procedures (categorically) do you personally believe should be criminalized?
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@thett3
sure. that doesn’t mean that you can’t criminalize certain medical practices
you mean like
female genital mutilation
lobotomies ( in 1949, the man who invented the procedure, Portuguese neurologist António Egas Moniz, won the Nobel Prize for Medicine.)
Bloodletting
electroshock therapy
various medications

yep we should blindly trust doctors and politicians.

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Mercury - deadly and ineffective
Radium - deadly and ineffective
Spinning chairs - ineffective and permanently damaging
Ice-pick lobotomy - deadly and permanently damaging
Electric belt - ineffective and damaging
Trepanning - deadly and ineffective and permanently damaging
Bloodletting performed by barbers - deadly and ineffective and permanently damaging
Urine therepy - ineffective and potentially damaging
Heroin and opium - deadly to children and adults and permanently damaging
Tobacco enema - ineffective
Strangely, regarding male and female genital mutilation [Judge rules that federal law banning female genital mutilation is unconstitutional].

Abortion is not deadly, ineffective or permanently damaging.
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Could I just get a simple yes or no, do you support abortion on demand up to the moment of birth?
Like I said below, you have reading comprehension disabilities and cannot grasp answers that are beyond a simple yes-no. I repeat again,as Ive been very clear in this thread and many others at DArt.

An I repeat for 99th time, read my lips/text and not the false projections that Trumpanzee put 100 times a days before they eat breakfest.

Ive been very clear on where I stand on this issue in many threads here and DDO and others for at 30 years.  I think you may have reading comprehension difficulties.  Get you friggin nose *v* out of pregnants womans body business, without their consent.

Pregnancy begins at concept aka fertilization of egg. Maybe you dont realize this fact-truth.

Your a Trumpanzee, so I presume you support if not encourage a man or woman grabbing of womens _____y{ a } ---genital without their consent irrespective if of whether they know the person or not?

At what point and time, after egg is fertilized, do you{ Trurmpanzee } stick you friggin nose *v* in a pregnant womans body business without her consent?

2} Trumpanzees have no constitiutional right to stick their immoral noses *v* into a womans body without her consent. Are you on prescription medications for mental issues? How many years? Is your brain  stuck in 16th century when they burned women as witches.  Your a sick, sadistic human being.

3} we Lock Away immoral Trumpanzees who support  the grabbing womens ____y irrepsective of whether they know them, or not, without their consent.


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I just wanted a simple yes or no answer because supporting abortion on demand up to the moment of birth is an incredibly extreme position that’s probably shared by <1% of the population. 

There’s no reason to be so rude, by the way. I haven’t insulted you. 
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There’s no reason to be so rude, by the way. I haven’t insulted you.
Being a Trumpanzee is an insult to civilized, moral humanity. Sad :---(

Like I said below, you have reading comprehension disabilities and cannot grasp answers that are beyond a simple yes-no. I repeat again,as Ive been very clear in this thread and many others at DArt.

An I repeat for 99th time, read my lips/text and not the false projections that Trumpanzee put 100 times a days before they eat breakfest.

Ive been very clear on where I stand on this issue in many threads here and DDO and others for at 30 years.  I think you may have reading comprehension difficulties.  Get you friggin nose *v* out of pregnants womans body business, without their consent.

Pregnancy begins at conception aka fertilization of egg. Maybe you dont realize this fact-truth.

Your a Trumpanzee, so I presume you support if not encourage a man or woman grabbing of womens _____y{ a } ---genitals--- without their consent irrespective if of whether they know the person or not?

At what point and time, after egg is fertilized, do you{ Trurmpanzee } stick you friggin nose *v* in a pregnant womans body business without her consent?

2} Trumpanzees have no constitiutional right to stick their immoral noses *v* into a womans body without her consent. Are you on prescription medications for mental issues? How many years? Is your brain  stuck in 16th century when they burned women as witches.  Your a sick, sadistic human being.

3} we Lock Away immoral Trumpanzees who support  the grabbing womens ____y irrepsective of whether they know them, or not, without their consent.



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I just wanted a simple yes or no answer because supporting abortion on demand up to the moment of birth is an incredibly extreme position that’s probably shared by <1% of the population. 
29% of respondents selected "Abortion should be legal under any circumstances". [LINK]

"The number of abortion facilities that are publicly known to conduct abortions throughout all nine months of pregnancy have changed very little since 2009. None of them are Planned Parenthood affiliates." [LINK]

True Facts.
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you only have yourself to blame for engaging him lol
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Trying to figure out public opinion is like trying to nail jello to a wall. Only 13% support abortion in the 3rd trimester (https://news.gallup.com/poll/235469/trimesters-key-abortion-views.aspx)  and I would imagine among those people there are a lot of caveats. I can’t imagine that many people even in this group would be okay with the position you and mustardness seem to be advocating, that an abortion mere hours before delivery for the sole reason that the woman changed her mind about wanting a baby would be morally acceptable. 
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i can’t figure out if he’s a troll or not. He would have to be very dedicated to what’s not that funny of a troll if he is one...but I just can’t imagine an actual human sitting down and saying “wow trumpanzees, that’s a good one!”
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I can't imagine that such a law exists.
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Trying to figure out public opinion is like trying to nail jello to a wall.
Not really.

Only 13% support abortion in the 3rd trimester (https://news.gallup.com/poll/235469/trimesters-key-abortion-views.aspx)  and I would imagine among those people there are a lot of caveats.
At your same link, on the same page there is a list of caveats.  There is no need for you to "imagine" what they might hypothetically be. 

And strangely they are all HIGHER than 13%.

When the woman's life is endangered - Third trimester 75% approve
When the pregnancy was cased by rape or incest - Third trimester 52% approve
When the child would be born with life-threatening illness - Third trimester 48% approve
When the child would be born mentally disabled - Third trimester 35% approve
When the child would be born with Down syndrome - Third trimester 29% approve
When the woman does not want the child for any reason - Third trimester 20% approve

I can’t imagine that many people even in this group would be okay with the position you and mustardness seem to be advocating,
An argument from lack of imagination.

that an abortion mere hours before delivery for the sole reason that the woman changed her mind about wanting a baby would be morally acceptable. 
Your proposed scenario is ridiculous.  There are no obstetricians that also perform abortions.  The waiting period for an abortion is currently about seven days.  If a woman goes into labor, IN A VERY PRACTICAL SENSE it is quite simply too late for an abortion.
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So, is there any realistic scenario where you feel a woman would carry a child for 39 weeks, then all-of-sudden change their mind at the last minute, and is able to find a doctor who would be okay with performing a termination of a healthy baby at 9 months - instead of encouraging delivery and adoption?

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No, I think something like that would be extraordinarily rare. However that doesn’t mean it would never happen and that certainly doesn’t mean it should be legal, as mustardness and 3RU7AL are advocating 
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thanks for proving my point that public opinion is almost impossible to nail down

Your proposed scenario is ridiculous.  There are no obstetricians that also perform abortions.  The waiting period for an abortion is currently about seven days.  If a woman goes into labor, IN A VERY PRACTICAL SENSE it is quite simply too late for an abortion
Imagine if the question was posed to the public. Is an abortion seven days before the expected delivery date for the sole reason that the woman changed her mind morally acceptable? It’s impossible to know for sure until someone polls it but I except far, far fewer than 13% would approve 
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No, I think something like that would be extraordinarily rare. However that doesn’t mean it would never happen and that certainly doesn’t mean it should be legal, as mustardness and 3RU7AL are advocating 
Your proposed scenario is ridiculous.  There are no obstetricians that also perform abortions.  The waiting period for an abortion is currently about seven days.  If a woman goes into labor, IN A VERY PRACTICAL SENSE it is quite simply too late for an abortion.
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When asked, the co sponsor of the Virginia bill said that the legislation would permit abortion up to the moment of birth. The governor of Virginia suggested leaving infants to die if they were unwanted. I’ll take their word for it, not yours
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@thett3
thanks for proving my point that public opinion is almost impossible to nail down
Public opinion evolves based on the phrasing of the survey, but that does not make it impossible to track.

It certainly seems like you've moved significantly from your original imaginary >1% to a somewhat more reasonable 13 to 20% range.

Imagine if the question was posed to the public. Is an abortion seven days before the expected delivery date for the sole reason that the woman changed her mind morally acceptable? It’s impossible to know for sure until someone polls it but I except far, far fewer than 13% would approve 
Your imagination may be unreliable.

Look at your own link.  When the woman does not want the child for any reason (specifically opposed to or in stark contrast to the other named exceptions), specifically in the third trimester - 20% of respondents approve.
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Do you believe it would be morally permissible to give a lethal injection to a fetus at 39 weeks because the woman doesn’t want a baby?