Is civilian warfare self-defense?

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Much is said about Israel's right to defend itself whenever civilian casualties are brought up.
This claim is vague (“much is said”— who said? What is said?) and distorted— no one, to my knowledge, is claiming that Israel kills civilians out of self defense. Israel targets Hamas combatants out of self defense, but they entrench themselves within, among, and underneath non-combatants. Because of this, it is impossible to effectively fight Hamas without incurring non-combatant casualties, which is very different from claiming, “We are defending ourselves, so we can target civilians.”

So while there might be potential arguments to justify attacks killing noncombatants, I find it hard to buy that self-defense is one of them.
What are some potential arguments which come to mind?
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This claim is vague (“much is said”— who said? What is said?) and distorted— no one, to my knowledge, is claiming that Israel kills civilians out of self defense. Israel targets Hamas combatants out of self defense, but they entrench themselves within, among, and underneath non-combatants. Because of this, it is impossible to effectively fight Hamas without incurring non-combatant casualties, which is very different from claiming, “We are defending ourselves, so we can target civilians.”
That is the same reason the Nazi gave for the Holocaust..that Jews were hiding among the civilian population.
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That is the same reason the Nazi gave for the Holocaust..that Jews were hiding among the civilian population.

what lol, The Nazis didn't kill the civilians just because they were killing Jews either.
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That is the same reason the Nazi gave for the Holocaust..that Jews were hiding among the civilian population.

what lol, The Nazis didn't kill the civilians just because they were killing Jews either.
That was why they were allowed to continue. Their killings were very targeted.
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Is civilian warfare self-defense?  Yes, do you know where you can buy the Russian Nuclear suitcase bombs on the Dark Web?
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Is civilian warfare self-defense?  Yes, do you know where you can buy the Russian Nuclear suitcase bombs on the Dark Web?
There are no Trump tariffs on Russian products.
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That is the same reason the Nazi gave for the Holocaust..that Jews were hiding among the civilian population.

what lol, The Nazis didn't kill the civilians just because they were killing Jews either.
That was why they were allowed to continue. Their killings were very targeted.
The American supplied bombs that Israel uses are not very accurate and results is high civilian casualties.