The Sopranos Mafia DP1

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@ILikePie5
Lurking isn’t a “little” reason. And your behavior is far different. The Moozer I know would just have claimed and moved on.
My point was that you never explained it.

Wasn’t it you who said we should all say how close we are Tony Soprano? That’s by definition getting a crazy amount of information.
No, it’s a normal step to lock people into fake claims early. I’m not looking for info, I’m looking to catch scum off guard. And besides, no one liked the idea so I backed off. My thing would require everyone on board but claiming at L-2 needs on three people.

The issue is that DP1 is all about getting information to use for the future. Interactions matter and help down the line. Even if pursuing a so called “bad lead” doesn’t help in the short run, it helps in the long run.
Wait, so are you pro information or against it? I get that we should be pursuing claims, but when we have at least a little to go on we should go on that first, then go randomly.
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Sorry for being a little inactive, even by my standards. I see that Casey is widely townread and I have to agree, for the most part. Casey and Bullish had a little spat, but something is  nagging at me that it could be a ruse.

That2

Being the only other person to claim a female character, I think they stood out a bit with some of the questions they asked, but they are town for me. Maybe I'll have more on them next DP.

Moozer

I don't know anything about Bobby, but a vanilla claim is believable. I am still a little skeptical of him and we should probably lynch him if we have nothing better.


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@Earth
You should just full claim. We have like 8 hours. You have 3 votes on you and unless we get more information to determine your affiliation than I don't see you surviving this dp
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@WyIted
Yeah, that's probably fair. I won't full claim just yet, but I am Carmela Sorpano.
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@Earth
I don’t see much reason to seek a full claim based on that. I have little reason to believe that the wife of the MC is going to be scum or that scum would be given her as a fake claim.

If enough people want, I can give my character as well, but I’m still struggling to see the reason I’m being sussed beyond PoE. If it helps figure this DP out, though, I’ll do it given that time is running down.
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Wait hold on I think I just realized something 
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I'm Bobby Baccalieri. Since my character is one of the nicer characters, I'm vanilla. The logic is that since I am reluctant to commit crime, and avoided commiting murder until I absolutely had to, I'm a pretty simple character and thus, vanilla.
Does this read like an edited Godfather PM to anyone else? I would 100% expect a Godfather in this game
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My point was that you never explained it.
Yes I did.

No, it’s a normal step to lock people into fake claims early. I’m not looking for info, I’m looking to catch scum off guard. And besides, no one liked the idea so I backed off. My thing would require everyone on board but claiming at L-2 needs on three people.
But it inevitably leads to us revealing our power roles. There’s a tradeoff, and you know about it

Wait, so are you pro information or against it? I get that we should be pursuing claims, but when we have at least a little to go on we should go on that first, then go randomly.
I’m pro-behavioral information and then claim information based on that
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Does this read like an edited Godfather PM to anyone else? I would 100% expect a Godfather in this game
A Godfather would make sense for this game, don't know if Bobby is necessarily the most likely to be one. I'm down to lynch Moozer, though. He's in my PoE and I'm satisfied with Earth's claim for now. Granted, the theme split could be anything at this point, but I doubt that Carmela is scum.

VTL Moozer 
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Let's kill the Vanilla/Godfather
VTL Moozer
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whiteflame may be mafia if he is who i think he is... 
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@ILikePie5
Does this read like an edited Godfather PM to anyone else? I would 100% expect a Godfather in this game
I won’t pretend to know what he modified his claim from, but it still stands out as sus and his responses aren’t doing him any favors. Seeing a lot of dismissiveness combined with the “let’s just lynch inactives, they’re useless anyway” responses even after I started being more active. He has a narrative that he’s sticking to regardless of what we say, and it’s starting to come off desperate. I had him as my pick already, so I’ll just make it official:

VTL Moozer
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whiteflame may be mafia if he is who i think he is... 
won’t pretend to know who you’re thinking of, but if Moozer flips town, I’ll full claim at the start of next DP and we’ll work through this.
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won’t pretend to know who you’re thinking of, but if Moozer flips town, I’ll full claim at the start of next DP and we’ll work through this.
mind if i say?
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mind if i say?
I do not. Go for it.
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Paulie Gualtieri
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Paulie Gualtieri
Nope, that’s not my character.
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[2/5] Earth - (Luna, Wylted)
[4/5] Moozer - (Bullish, Casey, whiteflame, That2)
[1/5] Whiteflame - (Pie)

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Okay, if I’m going down here are my last minutes reads.

Town:

Bullish: I disagree with his methods, but he’s playing in the towns best interests 

Casey: Same as bullish but I actually do agree with their methods

That2: Same reason as everyone else

Null:

WyIted: He’s playing normally enough and I have no reason to suspect him

Whiteflame: The inactivity isn’t great but I have no major reason to suspect

Luna: When he’s on he often works in the best interests of the town

Scum:

Pie: Lack of reasoning for quickly trying to push claims with a small group while everybody else’s back is turned

Earth: Inactivity and the half claim feel pretty trademark scum

I’m just putting these here so that when I flip town, people can come back and take a quick look.





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I’ll also give a last minute quickie defense.

My role is one used almost all the time by Vader. The justification is a little shaky but that makes perfect sense as this is a role Vader likes a lot, and would stretch some reasoning to include in the game.

I have a claim when pressured, and I also haven’t been CCed yet. I was resistant at first because I didn’t know why I was being singled out, and still don’t really know why. 

Bottom line, Pie is my top scum read. When I go down, my recommendation would be to start considering him.


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If you get on the earth lynch than it's possible to avoid being lynched yourself. It shows there are two possible lynches and others may get off your lynch if they prefer earth
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@Casey_Risk
Earth claimed a character and the character isn't even in the family . She isn't in the mob. I think we need to go earth here
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@WyIted
Earth claimed a character and the character isn't even in the family . She isn't in the mob. I think we need to go earth here
This does not make sense to me. Carmela is Tony Soprano's (the mob boss) wife
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PM to anyone else? I would 100% expect a Godfather in this game
Did his character snitch?

There has got to be at least one snitch in the show  Moozer claimed a character high in the organization and he may have been the first role claim if I remember and his behavior may feel off due to the distance between this game and his last. I think earth is the better lynch but I also think the scum pool is prettynarrow right now. 

I say we lynch earth and see where we are at. I will hammer Moozer if it gets to the last minute and we are risking a no lynch I just want to advocate for what I see as a better option right now
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Isn't she also like a strong Catholic girl who is blind about her husband being a gangsta though she obviously suspects it?

I have not watched a single episode but she isn't out doing crimes or organized crime herself
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@WyIted
No. This is what Wikipedia says:

Carmela is a homemaker for the Soprano household, and works to create a semblance of legitimacy for her family, even though she is well aware their wealth is built on "blood money". Tony trusts Carmela enough to confide in her, to a degree, about some of his Mafia dealings, notably the failed attempt on his life and the death of Richie Aprile. 
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He’s my second choice, so sure

VTL Earth
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@Casey_Risk
Just started watching a character break down after you said that. I don't think the claim makes him town even if it's true. I also think if scum knows the theme claiming the wife of a mob boss could be an easy fake claim depending on the theme. There is a 2nd female claim though so my theory of it just being "family" must be wrong.
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Who is your first choice? Whiteflame?
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Pie, but I could definitely see a Pie/Earth scum team