The Sopranos Mafia DP1

Off topic but for a kids show word girl is very witty at times.

Saying "I like Earth's response" feels really weird to me when Earth hasn't really said anything of substance. I don't understand where that townread comes from.

This is almost entirely on the back of that female softclaim. Scum were given some indication of what not to claim, but this is a situation where I'd expect scum to try to hide in the crowd and not pick the outlying sex with fewer characters. The other much smaller ping is that statement about the lack of a good vs. evil theme split in prior games. I don't think scum would be trying to reduce the number of theme split options this early.

Oh yeah, another thing I don't like about WF: his suggestion that Moozer is being hardbussed.

Saying "I like Earth's response" feels really weird to me when Earth hasn't really said anything of substance. I don't understand where that townread comes from.

Look back at my read on Earth. Those words do not appear in it.

I started my response to you by pointing out that those that avoided addressing Moozer’s claim or gave him leeway for it were my picks for likely scum partners. I stated who those people were (WyIted and Pie) and then stated outright that my pick was between the two of them. Only after that did I say anything about a chance of hard bussing, and I stated that no one stood out from anyone who sussed Moozer for his claim. If that’s me suggesting that Moozer was hard bussed, then I clearly did a bad job of conveying myself in the literal paragraph that came before any statement about potential hard bussing. Just because I’m unwilling to dismiss the option entirely doesn’t mean I’m suggesting it happened.

That was what Pie said, not what you said. Sorry, I guess the way I wrote that is slightly misleading.

Fair enough, I was going by memory rather than specifically rereading what you wrote in that instance. I still don't think either Pie or Wylted could be Moozer's partner, however.

Not really clear why you’re writing off Pie, even after reading through your posts about it a couple of times. You just said Pie wouldn’t advise this despite having fake claimed Vanilla in at least one previous game I can recall (I’ll have to look it up tomorrow, I’m fading fast).

As for my claiming, I’m going to need some basis for doing that aside from just being null to you, which is all I can see from your reads absent the above discussion. You said at one point that I’m in “your lean scum camp,” but I didn’t see a reason after that apart from the hard bus argument. If you’ve got a reason to sus me, I’d like to see it before I claim anything.

He was null for me in my last read list, I am generally always a bit weary of him. He did say he doesn't have as much interest in this theme based on lack of knowledge and explained thats why hes been a bit inactive. But idk, whiteflames scum play isn't usually based around inactivity, I expect him to put an effort in as scum usually so it’s just null to me. 

I think we're gravitating toward a moozer lynch, which I'm fine with. He's not screaming "lynch me" the same way Savant was last game, but still a good choice. My read on him is weak enough though I would also be happy to lynch earth, who has made 7 posts total this DP.

Well fine I just won't hunt down the posts. He is usually ultra cautious as scum in my opinion and it is really similar behavior as town but he seemed to have an IDGAF attitude in response to a few posts which I don't think he would have had as scum.

Lastly, Pie. He feels different to me somehow. His posts seem a bit more terse than usual. Typically, Pie is very open and transparent about his thought process and posts a lot while he's active and online. This game, he feels more reserved, and I feel like I understand his thought process a lot less. I don't think he's scum with Moozer for reasons I've already explained, but I can see him being scum with Earth or WF. Saying "I like Earth's response" feels really weird to me when Earth hasn't really said anything of substance. I don't understand where that townread comes from.

Not really clear why you’re writing off Pie, even after reading through your posts about it a couple of times. You just said Pie wouldn’t advise this despite having fake claimed Vanilla in at least one previous game I can recall (I’ll have to look it up tomorrow, I’m fading fast). I get the read on WyIted being town overcoming any potential sus for defending the claim.

As for my claiming, I’m going to need some basis for doing that aside from just being null to you, which is all I can see from your reads absent the above discussion. You said at one point that I’m in “your lean scum camp,” but I didn’t see a reason after that apart from the hard bus argument. If you’ve got a reason to sus me, I’d like to see it before I claim anything. It feels doubly weird coming after my claim partly on the basis that there’s “momentum” when all of that momentum comes from Pie and Pie’s entire reason for pushing me is that I might be on a scum team with Moozer, who I have stated outright is my preferred lynch.

What exactly are you saying? We already have Bullish claiming a non-Soprano. The spilt can't be that. Also, was it you that got fixated on mafia being antagonists in a past game? 

Put simply, Pie claiming Vanilla in that game didn't come off as very suspicious to me, though in retrospect, I suppose it should have. Moozer claiming VT in this game, on the other hand, is very suspicious, especially after already having a lot of pressure put on him. I just feel like Pie would have come up with something better. Maybe I'm discounting Pie a bit too much based on that, but I also feel like their interactions do a lot to untie them, in particular #165-#170. I guess it's not impossible that they're paired, but I have a hard time seeing it at this point.

I thought I laid it out pretty clearly. It's largely a PoE thing, and I feel like you're one of the least town-leaning players in the game (along with Earth). Although I will say that I have liked your two responses to me tonight, so that does have me reconsidering things.

I did in Super Mario Bros Mafia I think. I think Earth was the mod and it had all villains or something

Well actually, my reason for voting you is twofold, first you hadn’t really contributed much, so I’m forcing you to contribute and post so I can (hopefully) get a better read than you.

I town read WyIted for his usual behavior. I could see a Luna scum but it’s not likely based on what we have so far. At the time though, I wasn’t paying much attention to Luna so he could have been scum for all I know. I agree that with the others that you’re a good pressure along with Earth, so you might have been scum for all I knew. Of all of them Pie put me at L-1 for little reason, so he’s the one I scumread most on the wagon. I was going more in likelihood that actual reads though since DP1 reads are so flimsy.

Really though, I wasn’t too interested in who on that wagon specifically was scum, it’s just the idea of claiming at L-2 for no good reason that I was adverse too. If mafia can quickly grab 1-2 people and go hunting claims while nobody else is watching, then we’re just setting them up for easy fake-claims.

I’m not against DP1 scum hunting, but it shouldn’t be random. I wholeheartedly agree with what Casey said, we need to be following up on leads, not poking around blindly. It’s too easy for scum to get info, especially if we haven’t done any real soft-claims.

Man you’re soon going to be what is it? 0-3 now or 4 lol. Nah but fr it’s quarter close, so just been busy at work since the game started.

So... is that the reason your vote is still on me, then? Because your other basis for voting me doesn't match with my response, and I have been more responsive. I'm not sure what more you're looking for at this point beyond a renewed set of reads.

Casey is town af btw

Of all of them Pie put me at L-1 for little reason, so he’s the one I scumread most on the wagon. I was going more in likelihood that actual reads though since DP1 reads are so flimsy.

Really though, I wasn’t too interested in who on that wagon specifically was scum, it’s just the idea of claiming at L-2 for no good reason that I was adverse too. If mafia can quickly grab 1-2 people and go hunting claims while nobody else is watching, then we’re just setting them up for easy fake-claims.

I’m not against DP1 scum hunting, but it shouldn’t be random. I wholeheartedly agree with what Casey said, we need to be following up on leads, not poking around blindly. It’s too easy for scum to get info, especially if we haven’t done any real soft-claims.

Okay, so you've been busy, but can you explain where your read on Earth comes from?