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The Sopranos Mafia DP1
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@ILikePie5
Forgot to tag. Who do you want to lynch at this very moment and why?
Moozer.
I realize you asked for an explanation, but it seems obvious. He claimed Vanilla after pushing back on claiming up until L-1. He hopped on at least once after being sussed and still hopped offline and back on, posted reads instead of a response. He was behaviorally a little sus in his defensiveness of Casey and That2 (still think it’s odd that he defended them both) just not seeming to get the basis despite having the experience to know what was going on.
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@whiteflame
Not to mention his character doesn't make a ton of sense with vanilla, or ignore a ton of later character development. Its like ignoring the entire breaking bad character arc of walter white and saying that walter white is a meager pushover
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@whiteflame
Who do you think his partner is?
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@Lunatic
Good to get the insight, haven’t read too deeply into the character.
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@Casey_Risk
Who do you think his partner is?
TBH, I’m not sure. I haven't seen anyone pushing back on Moozer’s lynch aside from maybe WyIted who gave some cover to the Vanilla role based on Vader’s previous games. So aside from him, I could focus on who didn’t have a response to the claim, but I think that’s only That2 and they’re my strongest townread. I could just assume whoever it is has started bussing Moozer, which limits the options somewhat to who I think would do it and why. I did find it odd that Pie just shifted over to Bullish after Moozer’s claim, never discussed it, and then only brought him back up after being asked, saying he didn’t think Moozer was scum, and then using him as a means to sus me as a potential partner with him.
So, yeah, I can see a basis for either WyIted or Pie being his partner. Not a hard read on either as I can see Moozer getting hard bussed after that claim, but if that’s true, no one else is sticking out to me.
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@Moozer325
I'm Bobby Baccalieri. Since my character is one of the nicer characters, I'm vanilla. The logic is that since I am reluctant to commit crime, and avoided commiting murder until I absolutely had to, I'm a pretty simple character and thus, vanilla.
Bobby is seen as an innocent character until he is forced to kill by Tony then subsequently dies in the ending/close to it
I feel your flip will help with the theme
VTL Mooser
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@whiteflame
Interesting, thank you. I'll share my thoughts and reads when I get home.
Okay, here's my last stand.
It was a little misleading to push back so hard against me claiming vanilla, but 1. The character is super consistent with Vader's modding style, and I haven't been CC'd yet, and 2. In my limited experience, DP1 scum hunting is based on little evidence, but there is still some. When I was being bandwagoned, I could see no clear reason why it was me chosen. With only three people one me, It's not unlikely that one or two was Mafia and were trying to get some claiming info early. This tracks since most of those people also were super resistant to another round of soft-claiming.
I've also been active this whole DP. IMO activity is always a good basis for targeting and lynching DP1, so why haven't we been going after Earth, or any other inactives?
We've got lots of time left on this DP, no need to Lynch now.
Also, I'm experienced enough to know the basics of fake-claiming. To do a little bit of WIFOM, neither me nor my scum buddy would have suggested a vanilla claim once I'd already held off claiming for a bit. I'm not that bad at this game.
With only three people one me, It's not unlikely that one or two was Mafia and were trying to get some claiming info early.
Who do you feel is mafia in the people pushing you?
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@That2User
heros week you can swap out word girl now
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@Moozer325
I echo That2’s sentiment. You believe it was likely that at least one scum member was on your wagon, but so far, you’ve only suggested that could be the case to get a claim. Who on your wagon do you think is most likely scum and why?
Off topic but for a kids show word girl is very witty at times.
I think we're gravitating toward a moozer lynch, which I'm fine with. He's not screaming "lynch me" the same way Savant was last game, but still a good choice. My read on him is weak enough though I would also be happy to lynch earth, who has made 7 posts total this DP.
Spoiler alerts:
"In the Season Six episode, "The Ride" Janice, along with Bobby's son and younger daughter were in an accident during the Feast of Saint Elzéar carnival. Janice and the kids were riding the ride, which malfunctioned due to faulty machinery whilst Bobby was escorting his elder daughter to the restrooms. Bobby's initial reaction was relief that his family were unhurt. When Bobby was invited to the Soprano residence for a Sunday dinner the following week, Janice later berated him for not getting angry over the incident, to which Bobby stood his ground saying family dinners are not a forum for those grievances. She later accompanied him when he paid a visit to the ride owner, pretending to be suffering from nerve damage. Bobby stormed into his motel room, beat him up and tried to extort money from him but learned that Paulie had been responsible for withholding the funds needed to repair the ride. Bobby tracked him down at the festival and angrily confronted him - the two were separated by other associates in the crew. At Christopher's belated bachelor party Bobby left soon after Paulie arrived. Tony ordered Paulie to make things right with Bobby. The episode demonstrated Bobby's devotion to his family, but also confirmed his credentials as a man not to be crossed lightly, further cementing his position in the higher echelons of Tony's crew."
Bobby confronting Paulie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYmoZ-PHzxo
"In the Season Six episode "Soprano Home Movies", a drunken fist fight between Tony and Bobby, sparked by an obscene comment made by Tony about Janice, threatened to compromise the growing relationship between the two men. Bobby won the fight, battering the inebriated Tony quite severely, but also injuring his boss's pride."
Bobby beating the sh1t out of Tony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ktF-y-hPU
"Bobby (to his visible discomfort) was tasked with murdering the brother-in-law of one of Tony's Québécois associates, an important hit that formed part of a deal to save money on a pharmaceuticals racket. It was Bobby's first murder; Tony mentioned earlier that Bobby had never "popped his cherry" with wetwork as his father didn’t want that for him."
"Bobby was soon promoted to underboss of the Soprano family. The murder initiated a change in his attitude from a soft and shy personality to a more outgoing, assertive and ruthless one. When Tony was having difficulties regarding a loan from his old friend, Herman "Hesh" Rabkin, a loan shark, Bobby suggested Tony not bother paying any of the money back considering Hesh could not force Tony to do anything, and also saying that tony should have told Hesh to "go fuck himself". Such a ruthlessly logical piece of thinking was quite at odds with the gentle, quiet Bobby from a few years back."
"Eventually, Bobby appeared to have won a place within Tony's "inner circle" of trusted associates; no mean achievement for a man who, for a long time, had been little more than Junior Soprano's driver (as a dismissive Lupertazzi soldier once described him)."
The description moozer gave is technically correct in the early part of the series but ignores his major character development throughout the rest of the show, and I just think its a weird thing to make someone who virtually takes over as underboss a vanilla.
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@Bullish
I think we're gravitating toward a moozer lynch, which I'm fine with. He's not screaming "lynch me" the same way Savant was last game, but still a good choice. My read on him is weak enough though I would also be happy to lynch earth, who has made 7 posts total this DP.
I'd be happy putting some pressure on earth, earth is best not to let him skate, he will both as mafia and town, so its honestly not worth risking.
VTL earth.
Only reason I was giving earth a pass before was his claim being female, but honestly the more I think about it, the more that doesn't really mean anything without knowing the split. The split could be Lizzie and Jr vs the rest of the sopranos for all I know, they seem to be the main antagonists in season 1.
Livia Soprano is a fucking ice cold bitch it will be amazing if Earth is her
VTL Earth
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@Earth
My vote is also on you I am just checking to make sure it isn't a hammer first
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@Lunatic
Only reason I was giving earth a pass before was his claim being female, but honestly the more I think about it, the more that doesn't really mean anything without knowing the split. The split could be Lizzie and Jr vs the rest of the sopranos for all I know, they seem to be the main antagonists in season 1.
What exactly are you saying? We already have Bullish claiming a non-Soprano. The spilt can't be that. Also, was it you that got fixated on mafia being antagonists in a past game?
VTL earth
That should be L2
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@Earth
I think town is moving at a fairly good pace, at least this game shouldn't suffer too badly from in activity. I think I might need to think if That2 is scum, but I leave that for latter in the DP.
We need youe thoughts
*your
Okay, so first, here are my townreads:
That2 - Mostly obvious reasons, everyone else seems to be townreading her as well, and it makes sense. Her early softclaim and response to pressure felt good to me, and she seems genuinely interested in the theme and potential splits. Pursuing the thread of how players are related to Tony Soprano suggests that she has an actual hunch. It's not impossible that she's scum, no one is 100% town at this point aside from me, obviously, but it's hard for me to find a good reason to scumread her.
Wylted - A few reasons. First, I liked his response to my post #123. Second, he seems to be demonstrating a genuine thought process, which is difficult to do convincingly as scum. In particular, he pinged me for not voting for anyone after my RVS vote for Moozer and tried to get me to give my reads. Third, the way he revealed what he noticed about Moozer's claim - it was very similar to what the wiki page said, which is also true of my role PM. It's hard for me to see why he would do that as scum, and it's not what I would expect from scum Wylted. I think he's probably town here.
Bullish - This one might seem surprising, as everyone else seems to be leaning null to slight scum on him, but the way he opened up this game with his vote on me felt like it came from genuine frustration at me for pushing him during DP3 of the last game. And like, I kind of get it, I was pissed at Disc for killing me for erroneous reasons in Time Travel/Rants mafia for quite a while afterward. Maybe I shouldn't view that as being alignment-indicative, but I'm just not sure Bullish would do that as scum. The bigger point for me, however, is that in the one game I've played with Bullish where he was scum (Debate Mafia), he seemed quite concerned about how the town read him, particularly during DP1. In this game, however, he hasn't shown that at all. Rather, his interactions feel genuine to me. Oh yeah, and then there's his actual character claim and what it implies. Altogether, I think these points add up to put Bullish into my town pile.
Lunatic - This is mostly a gutread and is weaker than my other townreads, but Luna's reads and his early push on Moozer don't feel forced to me. Rather, it feels like he has a genuine scumread on Moozer. It reminds me of how he pushed Wylted in Castlevania Mafia, which is a good sign, obviously.
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@Vader
Is this the best scene from the Sopranos?
https://youtu.be/yicP7ZEEz1k?si=O6XOKuC8qhfXT0fP
Now, as for Moozer. Here's my thing: if he's scum, I don't think he came up with that fakeclaim on his own. I think Moozer knows as well as anyone that most of the games on here are role madness, and claiming Vanilla would be risky. Thinking back to the two games where he has been non-town, he claimed Bookie in Recycled Roles (when he was actually a 3P Lyncher) and Doctor in Indian Politicians. It's worth noting that in the latter game, scum had the option of asking about two roles and two characters to see if they were in the game, so Doctor actually would have been a relatively safe claim once he and his partner Luna learned that there was no Doctor. Later, after there was no NK due to the Martyr being killed and Janitored, Moozer tried to take credit for it. Bookie was also a very pragmatic choice of fakeclaim in context.
So, Moozer seems to choose fakeclaims that are relatively safe and pragmatic, ones which don't draw too much sus toward him. Vanilla, on the other hand, is the kind that immediately draws suspicion. Moozer would certainly know that from playing Years Mafia with me. I was the first to claim in that game, and I honestly claimed VT, which drew a lot of suspicion towards me that lasted up until the final day, when I was part of the final three. There's also the fact that Moozer's character is a fairly major one in The Sopranos, from what I can gather. I just find it hard to believe that he would take that sort of a risk of his own initiative. If it's a fakeclaim, it has to have come from his partner, which begs the question, who might that be?
First, I can cross out everyone I townread. I also don't think Pie would ever advise Moozer to claim what he did. It just doesn't seem like his style. That leaves just WF and Earth for me, and both seem like plausible options. Earth, I can never get a solid read on just because he never says much as either alignment, and any time I do scumread him, it always ends up being a false positive. As for WF, he feels behaviorally null to me this game. I feel like if we're going to push someone here, it should be those two.
I think whiteflame is town and I'll share my thoughts if he gets some votes on him but I don't feel like it now .
Well fine I just won't hunt down the posts. He is usually ultra cautious as scum in my opinion and it is really similar behavior as town but he seemed to have an IDGAF attitude in response to a few posts which I don't think he would have had as scum.